Re: PASSPORTS - CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP

What do you do if you buy a horse with a foreign passport? Does the passport have to go back to the country where it was issued?

Re: PASSPORTS - CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP

I agree with you all ref passports i brought a 9 month old foal this time last year the breeder sent off his passport to the Arab horse society the day i payed for him and got my receit which i had to send a copy of to my insurance company Pet plan so i was covered and it was proof of sale, I didn't get my passport from the Arab horse society untill 7 days after his 1st birthday. In all my horses passports it has nothing for me to sign or anything saying i have sold my horse all it has is new owner to sign to say the passport is of the horse sold. So are all breed passportsdiffrent?

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Hi, yes on Sirius's passport with the BSPA, when I sold him, I had to sign declaration with date of sale and then the new owner was supposed to fill in their details and send it off, only they still haven't  so all I know is that he's in the Midlands somewhere!!!!!!!!!! (but still registered to me and his Freezemark papers are still in my name) also when I bought Shadow, his passport is with the VHS, that was signed by breeder with date of sale and I had to send off with my details within 30 days.

I definately think that DEFRA has to update and uphold the policy on passports as I've already stated how many stolen horses are getting issued with passports at the actual sales, why ain't the organisers insisting horses are already passported. I think it's disgusting what the Veteran Horse Society are doing, they want support for older horses, yet they are in effect turning a blind eye to horses going through the sale at Llanybydder, obviously it's extra funds for them to issue the passports 

Re: PASSPORTS - CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP

following my above post, I emailed DEFRA regarding :

1. having to carry your horse's passport when your horse is off his yard for more than 3 hours and

2. with my above query of change of ownership details.

here's my email to them and their reply is in the post below,  at least they're taking notice, which is great

Hi,

I have two questions

1: regarding the new legislation for passports when out with your horse for 3 hours or more, would it be cost effective and viable for horse owners to be issued with a card similar to a photo driving licence with their horses brief details, microchip number, passport number and PIO etc, as this is small and easy for owners/riders to carry, fits in a purse or pocket and I'm sure most owners would pay a small fee to obtain one.

2: I feel the law on passports when a pony/horse is sold needs revising. 18 months ago I sold my old pony, he is still registered to me, his passport and freezemark papers haven't been changed. When buying a new horse, the old owner signs a declaration, signing the passport over to the new owner, who then has 30 days to notify the relevant passporting organisation of change of details. I am becoming increasingly aware that I am not the only one whose old horse/pony is still registered to them. The penalty for not having a passport is upto a £5000 fine and/or 6 months in jail. I feel that the passport should be changed to a similar system as the Vehicle Registration Document, whereby, the old owner will fill in part of the slip, and return that themselves to the relevant passport organisation, the new owner has the 30 days to send their part in and if they fail to do so, then they should be fined pro rata on how late the form is sent in. This would encourage more owners to get the forms sent. When I bought my new horse I couldn't insure him, until my passport was returned to me as proof of ownership and his identity. Also, my horse was issued with his passport at Llanybydder Horse Sales, by The Veteran Horse Society, the day before his sale, surely at 6-7 months old, he should have already been passported prior to being registered for the sale. How many stolen horses end up at sales like this, to be issued with new passports before being sold to unsuspecting new owners. I feel this is something that DEFRA urgently needs to look at.


Thank you for your time

Janette David

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Hi! I think this whole passport thing is a waste of time to be honest! If it worked properly or like appycob mentioned about the dvla stlye change of owner would be much better! My mare which I bought last year (granted through the sales out of the ring) hasn't had her passport changed for 9yrs! I've been having a real battle since september last year to get my name put onto her passport because no-one has bothered to sign it when she was sold I'm guessing at the earliest a yearling! I have to go down the solictors route of swearing under oath that I bought my mare out of the ring at the sales as she didn't make the reserve which I can understand to a degree, but what if I had stolen her? It's not really that hard to sit in a room with a solicitor & say that you bought the mare off a mr joe bloggs from cheshire or whatever! bingo passport sent off with letter & away you go! Surley something needs to be done about this??