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kevinhiatt

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kevinhiatt says:

BSJA Horse Grade B

I am going to ask a stupid question here as I don't know but my new horse Sabrina (Sabina) a Belgian Warmblood who has a BSJA Passport plus the documents I cannot read from Belgium with her breed papers and she was jumped to grade B standard, what are the rules regarding say taking her into a local show with me the new owner and a rider both not showjumpers and novice are we allowed or are we banned, as could it be deemed an unfair advantage, she clears 2ft 6 in at the trot just lifts so will have to give my firewood round as when I had my lovely cob Tonka would go through like a tank.

Gypsy Gold does not chink & glitter.It gleams in the sun and neighs in the dark.Tonka & Lara my beautiful horses RIP, Nelson,Chloe & Kitty the cats.

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Bluesnow05

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Bluesnow05 says:

Re: BSJA Horse Grade B

 You can still enter local shows no problem at all.  I just wouldn't go telling everyone at the showground that she's done a lot of BSJA! My mare Misty has done a lot of BSJA too and won a bit of money but I only stated competing last year so we do unaffiliated SJ and XC together.  What is Sabrinas BSJA name?  I'm often on the website so I'll look her up!  :)

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kevinhiatt

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kevinhiatt says:

Re: BSJA Horse Grade B

Sabrina is her registered name with BSJA but with the Belgian Breed its Sabina this would not be allowed by BSJA as already a Sabina. The other thing is the brand mark on Sabrina's left thigh showing she is a Belgian Reg Horse and where and who bred her, its a funny circle thing with marks in it.

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Gypsy Gold does not chink & glitter.It gleams in the sun and neighs in the dark.Tonka & Lara my beautiful horses RIP, Nelson,Chloe & Kitty the cats.

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Bluesnow05

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Bluesnow05 says:

Re: BSJA Horse Grade B

I hope you do get to take her to some shows!  I've looked on the BSJA site and can't see any B graded Mares with the name Sabrina?  There are a few with that name or similar but with a different grade.  Have you got her printed record for BSJA.  She must have won a fair bit of money anyway!

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kevinhiatt

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kevinhiatt says:

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Sabrina has done nothing for at least 3 years, when she had a foal her 2nd. She has started acting like she should know what she is doing which is more than her owner but has a confidence problem as does her person. Never mind we can learn together as time goes on becoming to trust each other, why oh why who took her confidence making her scared this is why she reacts but at the yard you would not believe who she has become and the boyfriend problem has calmed down as she is getting more confidence to be away from each other as he is new as well, and I sort of know how he ticks as he is an ex-racehorse rescue steeplechaser 17.2h Gelding who loves everyone not a nasty bone in his body.

Gypsy Gold does not chink & glitter.It gleams in the sun and neighs in the dark.Tonka & Lara my beautiful horses RIP, Nelson,Chloe & Kitty the cats.

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Fenris

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Fenris says:

Re: BSJA Horse Grade B

 Most of the foreign horses are branded. Grades can be meaningless - in theory you could get your horse to grade B by jumping in tiny classes forever, you just need to jump in a lot of classes and rack up the clears. You can enter her unreg without any problem. Also, if she can;t be found on the BS website, I would be very suspcious. 

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kevinhiatt

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kevinhiatt says:

Re: BSJA Horse Grade B

Fenris said:

 Most of the foreign horses are branded. Grades can be meaningless - in theory you could get your horse to grade B by jumping in tiny classes forever, you just need to jump in a lot of classes and rack up the clears. You can enter her unreg without any problem. Also, if she can;t be found on the BS website, I would be very suspcious. 



This is also what I thought as the people I bought her from her advert said Grade B but they also said if I had problems they would take her back which like an idiot I did not have in writing, as they would not but would sell her for me. But after saying this with work becoming a lovely fantastic horse, sometimes have not been happy with her but trust is slowly coming also found suffers with sweet itch.

Gypsy Gold does not chink & glitter.It gleams in the sun and neighs in the dark.Tonka & Lara my beautiful horses RIP, Nelson,Chloe & Kitty the cats.

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rhapsody

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rhapsody says:

Re: BSJA Horse Grade B

To reach grade B it means that she's won rather a lot of money at grade C.  Yes she could have done this with small classes if she was successful, however once in grade B money wise you cannot continue to jump small fences at grade C.  If she was competed as a grade B, the courses would definitely have been much larger fence wise and much more technical.  There can be more than one horse registered with the same name in BSJA, they normally just put a notation after it to show it's a different horse e.g. Sabrina II etc.   Provided she's no longer registered, and you're not registered, then you are OK to jump unaffiliated and hard cheese if any one objects as you're not breaking any rules whatsoever, however if she or you are registered you can still enter unaffiliated classes provided you do not accept any money in prizes over £6.  At least that's what it says in our BSJA rule book!  We sometimes do some unaffiliated stuff at our local equestrian centre for training purposes (great for ring craft) but there's no money on offer so again it's allowed.  A lot of us actually do this!

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kevinhiatt

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kevinhiatt says:

Re: BSJA Horse Grade B

The type of show no money but you get a rosette, I am not registered or the other rider with BSJA but Sabrina has a BSJA Passport. Sabrina is registered on her passport with that name as I was informed that her original name was already used which is Sabina on her Belgian papers, which also seems peculiar as Rhapsody has stated could have been called for example Sabina 11 for example. The Belgian papers and her marks match and her brand mark, so she appears to be the horse on these papers, the BSJA passport were issued using the information on the Belgian papers.  The proof also is that she is a good jumper as now clearing 2ft 6in without any effort just hops over and don't break into a sweat. She behaved with me the same as a horse I once rode a Hanoverian Mare who went balistic the reason was she had just been used as a brood mare. Told I am too gentle a person to handle Sabrina and she takes advantage, and my other problem she possibly not used to my way of riding which I could understand as Tonka was trained by someone who was taught by the same person who taught me, next was Lara an ex-racehorse who did play up at first but eventually came to be well behaved, now I have found that Sabrina does not need to be ridden with a riding crop which suits me as never carried one for at least 22 years so retired my 45 year old riding crop. But as someone else has said a Warmblood takes their time to get bond with their person also a mare going into the mix.

Gypsy Gold does not chink & glitter.It gleams in the sun and neighs in the dark.Tonka & Lara my beautiful horses RIP, Nelson,Chloe & Kitty the cats.

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Fenris

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Fenris says:

Re: BSJA Horse Grade B

 I think she has had enough time to "settle in" and then some, warmblood or not. I am unfamiliar with bsja, but do they stamp the passports with a grade as the horse changes hands? The SJI do, if a smiliar practice exists with the bsja then that might confirm her past.. I am rather of the opinion that you were "had" though, sadly.

 

Rhapsody - true, no rules are broken but it might be considered bad form to jump a proven horse against RC types, in classes below the horse's ability. That said, in this case given the large break between competitions and relative SJ inexperience of the rider, it is not as big a problem as it would be if it was a successful pair doing a bit of pot hunting.

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rhapsody

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rhapsody says:

Re: BSJA Horse Grade B

No Fenris, the passport is not restamped with grading as the horse changes hands.  The BSJA know what your horse has done and has been entered for as it is fed back electronically from the venues.  Each year when you re register it is on the form.  I can see your little  comment about pot hunting, let me assure you I do not ever put my horse in a class just to win easily, he is always entered at his capability level no matter if it is affiliated or not.  As with most BSJA horses he is nowhere near an easy ride, he is complicated and needs a special touch and to bring him on from where he started  the unaffiliated Wednesday night jumping, interspersed with affiiliated shows every other weekend, was essential to put miles on the clock and build his confidence and teach him ring craft without the whole razzmataz etc of an affiliated show, it is a good building block for horses like him and is a common practice around here.  We are not taking any money or indeed collecting any pots at these shows as neither is on offer.  If they were then we wouldn't have been doing it, as obviously it is against the rules of which you are clearly not familiar.   As it happens there are plenty of talented unaffiliated combinations around here too who often do very well against the registered horses and look forward to being against them to have the challenge of doing better than them.  Please do not make such assumptions about me, that it also very unsportsman like. 

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