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AmandaKelly

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AmandaKelly says:

teaching my foal to lead, could someone give me tips?

I bought a mare and filly foal around a month ago. Foal was 9 months and still at foot!

The foal (Joulles) was completely unhandled when I got her. A month on they are separated and although the mare now has no interest in her foal, Joulles is still quite attached to her mum. I can now happily get a headcollar on Joulles and I can lead her around the stable without many problems (she is usually good but there is the occasional tantrum about it. I tried taking her out of the stable two days ago and disaster struck! she took off towards the field and as I tried to hold her I have a few burns on my hands! She is very strong and fast. We had to use a very unamused April to get her back into her stable.

 

Could anyone give me any tips on what to do with this situation? I am now feeling lost in it all. I know this should be done when she was much younger but the previous owner had lost interest and hadn't done it.

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soniadevereux

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Re: teaching my foal to lead, could someone give me tips?

JJ was still at foot at 9 months too. However i was leading him from about 2 months with mum.  HOw big is mare and foal? Roobee was 15.3 and JJ was 13.2 at 9 months, he had been gelded at 4 months due to pressure at my livery yard. Can you put a headcollar on mum and one on the foal and lead them both together. The foal will follow mum and get the idea of going forward with headcollar on. It is easier with 2 people however by putting a lunge line on mum and a lead rope on the foal it is possible. I led them both on my own all the time, how ever Roobee was a good and patient mum. If not put a headcolar on and a long towel around her bottom, so you sort of "encourage" with the towel by applying pressure on the hind quarters and leading from the side. A good book to get is to train your young horse by Robert maxwell.  Good luck.and keep us posted. xx

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soniadevereux

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Re: teaching my foal to lead, could someone give me tips?

i will add that i had never handled a pregnant mare or a foal before and JJ was a surprise foal so i had to learn very quickly.

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AmandaKelly

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AmandaKelly says:

Re: teaching my foal to lead, could someone give me tips?

mum is 15.1, foal is currently 13hh roughly, made an attempt at measuring her tonight. Unfortunately Joulles is quite happy to go forward, in fact that was the problem she took off and I couldn't hold her. I think my current plan is to get her working really well in the stable then take her out when I have the aid of a strong man to help me hold her. Do you think a control halter would help at all? or would it be too harsh and she would fight it? I think I will try to source a copy of that book though. Thanks for the advice!

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soniadevereux

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Re: teaching my foal to lead, could someone give me tips?

i used a control headcollar with JJ, the knotted type, just to help also lead with a lunge line, so if they o play up you can keep hold of them. Is you filly stabled 24/7 or is she turned out.? Roobee and JJ were turned out 24/7 but were brought in every other day to get him used to being led. It would be better if there are 2 of you to start with, but i would also work on manners. Get the filly  to back up when you enter the stable, ask her  to wait, until you out her feed down. This may sound daft but if you can have manners this will help when leading. JJ knew, wait, stand, back and walk on by the time he was about 5 months old, which was very useful. But he had been handled every day. Good luck with Joules. x

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rhapsody

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rhapsody says:

Re: teaching my foal to lead, could someone give me tips?

My friend is a breeder with her own stud so I've seen this done many times.  Certainly her foals are usually weaned around 4 months so that would be easier.  Use a lunge line rather than a lead rope, that way you've got more length there when they do a runner.  Take the foal into an enclosed area e.g. a school or small paddock.  When he/she launches themself away from you let them have enough room to do a bit of a runner then give a right good hard pull on the rope, if you are at a 30 degree angle or so then you will be more effective.  The foal will likely be a bit off balance but they will soon get the message.  Also never handle the foal without a good sturdy pair of gloves!  My friend's dad always teaches the foals to lead and he has done it this way for years, including my own filly who has lovely manners, she's now nearly 3 and we're long reinging at the moment.  She's never once tried to get away from us, and we got her at 4 months.  It's normal for them to feel that they need to initially but be firm and stand your ground and they soon give in gracefully.

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AengusOg

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Re: teaching my foal to lead, could someone give me tips?

I don't agree with the term 'controller' when it comes to halters. There is nothing which will control a horse unless it has learned to yield to halter pressure.

I use pressure type halters all the time, with all ages and types of horses, and I find them to be very effective for handling horses. However, it's not just a case of putting the halter on and expecting to be able to hold the horse if it tries to run off. Any attempt to hold a horse against its will amounts to force, and force is not a thing which helps horses learn.

If I were you, I'd use a pressure halter on the filly in the stable, and teach her how to yield to pressure. This is simple but very effective and, once achieved, will help your filly realise that she will not be hurt or made afraid.

The easiest way  to start is to stand at the horse's head and slightly to the side, and use light halter pressure to bring her head toward you. She may resist, as the horse has an opposition reflex to pressure,  but if you use a short pull to move the head only a few inches to start with, and an immediate release as her head moves toward you, the fily should quickly learn that as she allows her head to be turned the pressure wil cease.

After doing that a few times you can then apply light but constant pressure until she yields her head in your direction, and at each yield you can release the pressure, building understanding of the way pressure and release work. Then teach her how that works from the other side as well.

From there it is a simpe process to ask the filly to yield a bit more each time and, as she learns, to ask her turn a complete circle. By now this will probably be easily achieved by just moving away from her round the stable, having given her a quick 'signal' on the halter as to your intention to have her follow, and allowing her to do so. Teach her this from both sides.

Next, the filly has to learn how to step forward in response to pressure, and this is done using the same light pressure and immediate release when she responds. At this point you can begin to refine your responses by watching for a shift in her body weight in response to your cues, and at that point, if you release the pressure, the filly should follow through with the desired response.

Now you can teach her, by using the halter toward her chest to apply pressure over her face, and aiding her understanding with a hand on her chest, using the same principles of pressure and release, to step backwards.

Once your filly is reliably following round the stable, stepping forward and back, starting and stopping, with minimal cues on the halter, you can then start teaching her to respond to your body posture and demeanour so that she pays more attention, and you consequently need less halter pressure to cue her responses.

All the above should take about half an hour to teach, then she will be ready to be taken out in-hand. If, when you take her out, you handle her proactively, that is, by using subtle signals on the halter to keep her focussed on you, she should be disinclined to take off. Should she try, you will have the benefit of her understanding of how pressure and release to help you with control.

 

Remember, any piece of equipment is only as dangerous as the person using it. Used harshly, a pressure halter could be a cruel thing, but used to help a horse understand that it should stay close to the handler without being afraid...

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Tandem

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Tandem says:

Re: teaching my foal to lead, could someone give me tips?

We don't teach them to lead, we let mum show them how it's done.

 

If we are going to show with a foal at foot we get them used to the headcollar and then let them run along side mum and then gently, very gently and slowly ask mum to stand and use the same words for the foal and use a bit of pressure and the foal will stand when mum does.  If they start to fight don't fight back, foals can go over backwards so quickly and frighten themselves.

 

We Never put a foal slip and lead a foal from a slip or headcollar until they are at least a month old. If you want to guide a young foal somewhere use a big shawl or scarf round the neck and shoulders and guide them with that. Young necks can be hurt if they panic and you end up over balancing them with a headcollar.

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AmandaKelly

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AmandaKelly says:

Re: teaching my foal to lead, could someone give me tips?

thanks for the advice everyone, I really appreciate it..

So far she does circles in the stable and usually will stand straight away when asked. My dad works with a breeder and he suggested using an elbow to give pressure on her shoulder if she is reluctant to stand.

soniadevereux unfortunately she is in 24/7 just now because we want to be able to actually get her back in. Also I have been working on manners from the start because I can't stand a bad mannered horse so she is getting resonably good with manners.

Tandem she is no longer at foot, mum had mastitis so we had to get them apart as soon as possible to clear up the mastitis so unfortunately we can't let mum teach her.

The plan for the next try of getting her into an open space is to have my dad on hand to help hold the lunge line if she takes off?

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AmandaKelly

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AmandaKelly says:

Re: teaching my foal to lead, could someone give me tips?

all of your wonderful advice (and a LOT of patience) has suceeded. We had Joulles out in an open space without freaking out or tanking off!

I lead with a leadrope with a friend holding a lunge line just incase but the lunge line wasn't needed. Joulles was good as gold. Tried to trot off twice but when she realised she couldn't and she got praise, a good scratch and when she was done a treat she decided behaving was a better option.

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