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toochi

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toochi says:

your opinion please

hi all , we bought our daughter a pony before xmas , small gypsy type cob . we were told he was over 4 years . my daughter rode him , tacked up and he was great , by riding i just mean hacking . he really hasnt done much over winter due to weather etc , but he has become very mouthy and uncomfortable with the bit (any mild bit). alot of other people thought he may be younger , although the lady i bought him off insisted he was deff over 4 and thought he may have wolf teeth . i arranged with my vet to come and examin ponys mouth and raised my concerns about wolf teeth age etc . vet arrived , never gagged pony , said he was lovely and was very nice but basically laughed and aged him as a very young pony 2 or 2 n half and left all in 5 mins . the lady who i bought pony off rang me to see if she was right about wolf tooth or teeth and i said vet never checked for that , just said he was much younger than 4 , more like 2 . the lady said that was rubbish . so i arranged for equine dentist to visit , telling him about all this confusion . dentist arrived , great guy , gagged pony and showed us the wolf tooth , then he aged him at over 4 and a half years . he bridled horse and as soon as any contact was made with reins , bit hit off wolf tooth, his advice was to have it removed and that the pony was deff not 2 years as vet had said but was the correct age that the seller said . the vet bill came through , i did ring reception explaining my concerns and got a voicemail back , saying receptionist had spoke to vet and she said she thought his "playing" with the bit is because he hasnt been mouthed properly before i bought him , nothing was said about the age , and that she thought the wolf tooth would have nothing to do with the uncomfortableness . please allow me to say this is not about the money , we love the pony very much and want to do the best for him , but if the vet was right about the age then the pony would not be rode . which is fine as my daughter hasnt anyway . but its not really the point when the dentist says hel be 5 this year . i have contaced another vet practice and they are coming at the same time as dentist and the wolf tooth is being removed, under sedation , anesthetic etc , as i say its not the money , i just wouldnt have expectedcomplete different diagnoses from 2 pros . your opinion would be gratefully appreciated , ps , his passport also ages him as comimg 5 years .

toochi

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SuzyA

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SuzyA says:

Re: your opinion please

Gosh, I understand your confusion.  I know ageing a horse isn't always spot on, but apparently the younger they are the easier it is, so like you I'm quite suprised.  I'd wait to see what the next people you're having have to say.  Just a thought, how long did the lady you buy him off of have him?  Perhaps do a bit of tracing back if you can.  Maybe find out when she bought him, from who, etc. 

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nix123

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nix123 says:

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 I'm getting confused just reading this, so god knows how your feeling  This is what i think you wouldnt go to the doctors for your teeth would you? you'd go see the dentist and why?? because its their job. The same as you wouldnt go to dentist if youve got chicken pox or an ear infection. Sounds simple.  If it was me I would ask the dentist for his permission to forward his details to vet and just ring up or better still visit the vet and refuse to pay the bill stating why.  You have an equine dentist on your side. I think you'll soon find this whole matter just disappears. The vet is wrong its a mis-diagnosis and he/she knows it.

nix

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Micki

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Micki says:

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This article should help to explain it for you so you will be able to have a look at the teeth yourself and you will know if your pony is 2 or 5. The teeth are quite good to tell you your horses age for a while, it gets harder the older the horse is but it is very easy upto age 5. I would say your vet got it wrong. Wolf teeth are also quite easy to see if your pony will let you look in his mouth, they are just infront of the back teeth and the bit will knock them causing discomfort for the pony.

http://extension.usu.edu/files/publications/publication/AG_Equine_2007-06pr.pdf

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SarahR123

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SarahR123 says:

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I agree - dentists spend all their days looking at horses' teeth so know a thing or three about them.  Vets do a very short period of time in their training covering dentistry and are, in the main (though not without exception) as good as our GPs would be with teeth (in my opinion)  I also think (especially if they are not EQUINE vets) that some vets are a bit nervous of the biting and kicking ends and will do anything to avoid getting involved with them!  Dentistry between 2 and 4 is very different and I am surprised that any professional could get it that wrong!  Money or not it sounds as though your vet has probably made a mistake!

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pippixox

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pippixox says:

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all i can say on the matter is that it doesnt sound like a very good vet! they didnt sound very thorough or helpful- i would find a different vet.

my horses are my medicine, without them im even more crazy!

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kezza81

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kezza81 says:

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 In my experience most vets dont like being particulaly close to the biting end of a horse so dont spend too much time actually looking in it! I would trust the dentist, he will have had far more specialized training in acurating aging through teeth. Its never exact as some horses hold their "baby" teeth appearance longer and some get more grown up teeth sooner but a good dentist can age a horse within a rough 6month period. As your pony has wolf teeth its unlikely he is under 3 years old so I would say your vet is quite simply wrong and I personally would be a bit ppeved at paying the bill when he has not done a proper inspection of pony's mouth but he will more than likely say he only gave you a rough estimate of age and still expect you to pay up. 

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toochi

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toochi says:

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thankyou sooo much for all your opinions , this is why i rang the vets to explain about this , the only reply i got was the voicemail about in her opinion it was nothing to do with wolf tooth only he hadnt been mouthed properly before i bought him . nothing was mentioned on voicemail about the age . had i not had the 2nd opinion from the equine dentist i could still be under the illusion that the pony was 2 years and we would just be letting him be a baby . prob would have ended up with a 7 year old just being a baby haha .im not sure wether i should just pay the bill to save the upset as this vet deff doesnt want to even consider she could be wrong . but on the other hand i dont want to pay and let this type of treatment go on for other people. the equine dentist is coming to my yard at same time as new vet for wolf tooth extraction , maybe i should get two age confirmations from them and send that to first vet . thankyou all again i feel alot better standing my ground as i was feeling intimidated by the first vet x

toochi

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stellazing

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stellazing says:

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 How horrible for you. I'd definitely listen to the dentist, they have so much more knowledge about the mouth. Also I would be contacting the vets as they clearly haven't done a proper job so you should not be paying them. Like you said get confirmation from the dentist and other vet to prove your point. I've heard before of vets completely mis aging horses so i never have them do teeth! Hope all goes well having Wolfe teeth removed x

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toochi

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toochi says:

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stellazing said:

 How horrible for you. I'd definitely listen to the dentist, they have so much more knowledge about the mouth. Also I would be contacting the vets as they clearly haven't done a proper job so you should not be paying them. Like you said get confirmation from the dentist and other vet to prove your point. I've heard before of vets completely mis aging horses so i never have them do teeth! Hope all goes well having Wolfe teeth removed x


thankyou so much , wolf tooth being removed may 11th by new vet and the dentist will also be there , thankyou all again for your support x

toochi

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toochi

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toochi says:

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hi just thought id give you an update , new vet came out aswell as dentist , both agreed pony was over 4.5 years . wolf tooth was removed . thankgoodness i got a second opinion from the dentist and thankyou all for your support x

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