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tatti

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tatti says:

Re: horse losing shoes constantly in field

Photos below of latest. Photo of left hoof 1 week ago (is the bottom piccie) and you can see the outer layer coming away, that hoof is still the same, except lost more of the outer hoof, the other hoof was doing the same but, then he lost a lot more of the damaged hoof below and he is now very sore on that foot with slight heat. The middle piccie os of the other foot, outer layer came away and then top piccie is what its like now and is warm to touch and sore.

Spoke to BFT, who is coming out next week but she thinks it might be more due to LGL as I was naughty and did leave him out for 2 days and 1 night this week and with the rain and increased grass growth, it may have effected his soundness. Such a shame, as before this he was striding out on the concrete and now he is sore.

 

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tatti

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BFT came out today and basically his poor feet are still a bit of a mess but, this is what she said, his sole is still very thin and although the new hoof growth is doing well and the correct angle, the old hoof is growing out in a ski slope and it will take another 4 months really until he has a good hoof that this will correct. One of the main problems for his soreness is that, dispite me keeping on top of the thrush, the thrush has eaten away at the top of his frog, hence why it has been peeling away, I have to alter my cleaning routine and use a baby cleanser instead of diluted milton and then get into the central parts and heel with cotton buds and then pack with sudacream, as they are chaffing when he walks, she demonstrated by pushing into his frog where the thrush had been munching away and he really did wince. Also, have been feeding the wrong feeds despite Simple Systems advising and selling me the stuff, the lucie fibre cubes are alfa alfa and they advised me to add alfa alfa as well, so she feels its an overload, told to get rid of and buy quick beet instead to add his minerals to, which are all correct (the Total Eclipse/ Linseed and Biotin) (so I did that bit right LOL) - she is very knowledgeable and basically although his feet have a long way to go, he is heading in the right direction, just need to keep on top of the thrush and change his diet accordingly. I also bought some extra padding from her to put in the hoof boots as the Cavallo gell pads were too thin. The padding is like polystyrene, but special pads for horses padding, I bought a two large squares from her for a few pounds, you cut them to size and pop them in the hoof boot, the hoof weight pushes down, giving an exact shape of the bottom of the hoof including frog etc and the rest pushes into the outer corners, so making it a very snug fit, especially good if the boot is a bit on the large size, the cavallo gell inserts kept spinning around inside and they are so thin compared to the pads I have not got in them.

 

 

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SuzyA

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SuzyA says:

Re: horse losing shoes constantly in field

Just wanted to mention NT-Dry powder - magical stuff - well I've found so anyway.  My boy used to go lame now and then on his fronts, and I now think it was down to thrush.  I used to try and treat with liquid stuff, then came across this NT powder (google it).  Just brush out any debris, sprinkle on the powder getting it into all the little crevices.  Do so everyday for a week or so, and then just do say every week for maintenance.  The change in my horses frogs was quite big, and I thought they were always meant to look like they used to!  Also, hoof boots and pads don't help with thrush coz provides nice breeding ground for bacteria (warm/moist) - not saying don't use them, just it doesn't help, so extra reason for NT powder.

 

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jenhavocmanny

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Re: horse losing shoes constantly in field

At least you've got some knowledgeable help!  Sounds like he's heading in the right direction. I don't suppose the wet weather's helped with the thrush.

 What's the extra padding like? I'd be interested in a pic if you can.

That NT powder is interesting too.

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tatti

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tatti says:

Re: horse losing shoes constantly in field

We bought some cavallo gell pads but, they are too thin and also they rotate round inside, and the padding is rubbish so, much too hard inside the bottom of his boots for his thin soles and sore frogs. He only wears the hoof boots when I take him to the field and when ridden, which is for about 20 minutes each day as we are trying to bring him back into work and re back him as he is an x racer. She gave me some fab thick white almost polystyrene type pads, but these are special horse ones, you can apparently get different thickness from the internet and they crush down to the horse exact hoof shape, so I have popped them into his boots and he has to stand for 15 minutes with them on so that they crush down and then give exact padding and comfort, I have used then before, and you get an exact hoof and frog print inside. They were £7.50 for the two pads. Thanks for the info on the thrush, I thought I was doing the right thing by scrubbing each day with diluted milton or hibi scrub but, she said its too harsh and the chemicals kill the good bacteria as well as bad and says anything you pop on a baby's bum is good enough for a horse. Trouble is, that sudacream sticks like shit to a blanket!!

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Micki

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Micki says:

Re: horse losing shoes constantly in field

Glad that your trimmer has been out. Sounds like she has given you some great advice. Good to hear that he is improving even if it is slowly. You have to wait for the hoof to grow and then you will really notice the difference and hopefully then you will be so pleased with his feet and you will be happy to have him barefoot. Hope the thrush clears up soon for him. It really hasn't been an easy introduction to barefoot for you, hope it gets easier for you. I'm sure it will as he grows it a new hoof.

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tatti

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tatti says:

Re: horse losing shoes constantly in field

After two days of cleaning with baby cream and covering with sudeacream on the frogs, the horse is even worse, he can only manage a few steps on the hard ground. I am so fed up and feel sorry for him. His grazing has been cut right back and is only turned out at night. I am going to soak his hay, he has been on a new batch of hay for the past week, quite stalky and prickly, I am wondering if this is perhaps a rye grass batch of hay and therefore upsetting his sugar and giving low grade laminitus, I know my barefoot trimmer picked up on the thrush making his heels sore but, in therory he should be moving better now he has had frog TLC for the past 48 hours and is covered in sudacream.

 

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SuzyA

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SuzyA says:

Re: horse losing shoes constantly in field

Would you be able to post some photos of his frogs (like what you see when you pick up a foot for hoof picking)?  48hours isn't really very long for much to have had an effect on his thrush, so don't lose heart.  Like I mentioned before, I used NT-Dry powder, wonderful stuff.  Being a powder it helps things get drier instead of remaining moist too.

 

 

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tatti

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tatti says:

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SuzyA said:

Would you be able to post some photos of his frogs (like what you see when you pick up a foot for hoof picking)?  48hours isn't really very long for much to have had an effect on his thrush, so don't lose heart.  Like I mentioned before, I used NT-Dry powder, wonderful stuff.  Being a powder it helps things get drier instead of remaining moist too.

HI Suzy, shall put some photos up in a minute - the frogs are very sore as he does try to really pull his foot away when I am pushing the sudacream in but, I think that the thrush is actually much better and he was walking 'sound' when they were covered in black crap, in fact they look and smell like a babies bottom! The only tell tale signs are the flaps of skin and holes where the bugs have had a munch. Shall google the NT dry powder, thank you. But, I have to say, have noticed a big difference already with the sudacream versa the hibi scrub/milton, and while stabled, the sudacream acts a barrier to stop the urine/bedding etc, sticking to the bottom of his feet and burning. 

 



 

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tatti

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tatti says:

latest photos

latest photos, at week 10/11 - frogs are covered in sudacream. the outer layer of the hoof will still end up coming away, but underneath its getting tighter and the sole is sounding more like a nut when you knock it.

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