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ChloeWindle96

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i cant stop thinking N E G A T I V E.

crying writing this literally.

today must of been the worst day for a long time with poser, he actually put someone in hospital. I know you must be thinking christ why let someone ride him or what a stuipid horse but you cant help but love them even if they are complete twits. This lady who rode him is very experienced with TB's and she actually had him before i did looking after him for his old owners. She had him for a year. she knows him inside out. So since hes been going mental not letting me lunge him without rearing,bucking and kicking out and closing in on me she offered to help and i took her up on it. She lead him around up and down the lane for a decent 15/20 mins and first 10 mins he was trotting, and excitable but he started to calm down so she decided to get on him (completely her choice, like i said i dont want anyone telling me it was a stupid idea, he was perfectly calm when she decided this) he was foot perfect walking away from home, as soon as we turned home he bucked and reared and got her off and cut her eyebrow up..it was a deep cut to the skull. We warned her, and she was perfectly happy to get on him, and again, was her choice.

This horse is an absolute nightmare, i got him when he was 5 but was turning 6 about 6 weeks after we got him, ive had him a year and hes nearly 7. He was a perfect horse that schooled in an outline, jumped you name it. But now hes flipped and i dont know what to do.

People say lunge him, but he keeps rearing, bucking, closing in on me and you say push him forward, i try. Im really loosing all hope and my confidence has hit rock bottom, i really am not knowing how much more i can take. I love him, hes my baby, always will be. But how can i think positive when i cant see any light at the end of the tunnel? He has so much potential to be a british event horse and anything i want him to be but is this the right thing to do..to keep him and carry on trying?

Please help with any tips on how to lunge him and to get his naughty habbits out his head, earn respect, be able to have a normal horse again.

* HAS HAD HIS BACK DONE AND GOT A FITTED SADDLE, HAD HIS TEETH FILED, AND HAD HIS FEET TRIMMED.

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CharParsley620

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Re: i cant stop thinking N E G A T I V E.

I think you'd get more responses if you put this in the yard x

It's lonely in the saddle since the horse died.

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Paddypony

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Paddypony says:

Re: i cant stop thinking N E G A T I V E.

 Hi I'd need to know a little more history to be able to offer much useful advice like what had the horse done, when was it backed and who backed it also were you ok riding it to start and did anything happen (e.g. a fall) prior to the naughtiness starting?

Most horses really need to trust the rider and some will do this kind of thing if you as a rider lose your confidence in them and so a downward spiral begins.  People say lunging but from experience I know that some horses just won't allow this to happen and will be dangerous to lunge.

What is the horse like to handle in the stable or when being brought in from the field.

Would inhand exercises work to build trust or would you get 'jumped-on'?

Personally if I were approaching this task I would start from the beginning again with no tack and just basic manners being taught as if breaking an unhandled youngster obviously this is harder as the horse may have its own ideas but start small and try to build the trust again.  I know people who have had horses who were virtually unrideable and close to being put down that have then just by doing inhand work and playing in the stable have become gorgeous family friends with manners to die for and rideable and the only explanation we can come up with was that they didn't trust the rider and got so scared that they virtually lost their minds.

Hope that you can find some hope and that things improve for you.

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ChloeWindle96

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Re: i cant stop thinking N E G A T I V E.

he was an ex-racehorse so he was backed quite early on as a baby. He was 'too slow' to be a race horse but recently got told by owners mum that the racing yards didnt want him as he was too 'excitable'. He used to be an absolute idiot being baught in from his field last summer, used to rear, buck, spin, pull ect. Now hes a gent and can have off days but 98% of the time hes fine. i wouldnt say its to do with trust as he never used to follow me around his field, let me cuddle him, touch his face but now he doesnt leave me alone, he lets me put my arms around him and even lets me hug his head, he doesnt flinch any more. Its the riding side of things, i took a fall the week before he was out of work to mature and to gain trust again. I've had the saddler out and got a new saddle, the vet out (he did say he had muscle wastage so building it up atm, TRYING TO), the physio out to do his legs and back and he was fine. With the lunging its becoming dangerous he just wont allow it. I may let him loose in the school for a while and just play with him and have a bit of fun on ground (without it getting to excitable and dangerous)

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jenhavocmanny

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Re: i cant stop thinking N E G A T I V E.

Wondered how you are doing with Poser?

Have you tried long reining instead of lunging? You'd have control of his outside rein and it would help with muscle wastage, making him use his hindquarters.

If you've never done it before, have a go with a well behaved horse first, and its actually easier than it looks!

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Rio186

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Re: i cant stop thinking N E G A T I V E.

Hey, if things are still going bad, and you can't seem to shake yourself out of that negative mind-set (I think we all are vunerable to them every so often when we don't seem to be getting anywhere with a problem)  I find it always helps to right down all the basic problems in a list, and think about them like you would if it was someone elses horse.

A lot of the time, if you can sort out the wider, bigger or basic issues, the rest seem to follow.

 

Some really good books are Perfect Manners - by Kelly Marks (and her other books are pretty good too), and some of Richard Maxwell's books about training young horses (like 'How to Train Your Young Horse') can be really useful if you think it will help to start over.  Sometimes just strengthening your bond with your horse can help a lot!!

It can also be just a case of getting a horse's adrenaline down when you are working with them.  If you can get him into a routine of just walking over some poles inhand each day for 10mins to 1/2hr, you can gradually build on what you do without getting him stressed.  Sometimes, nervous horses benefit most from doing boring repetition each day so they know what's coming and it makes them feel more secure.

 

Hope you are doing ok with him.  If you are able to, it may be worth investing in some professional help, just to help you both understand what's going on a little bit more!

 

Good luck.

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ChloeWindle96

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Re: i cant stop thinking N E G A T I V E.

welll guys, im riding him!!! :D :D :D

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CharParsley620

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Re: i cant stop thinking N E G A T I V E.

 yaaay!

It's lonely in the saddle since the horse died.

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amber4ever

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Re: i cant stop thinking N E G A T I V E.

 Hi,

Someone I know had an ex-racehorse who was unable to race because of being to slow, like you after a while of having him, he suddenly changed she had no idea what to do with him as she had never been in a situation like this before. He was meant to be being slowly brought back into work and she was schooling a couple of times a week and hacking lightly quite a lot. No one knew what she could do,a friend of mine took it hacking to see if it was something easily solved, it was fine walking away from yard when they turned back the horse reared up fell backwards narrowly missing my friend and then bolted back to the yard. Luckily no one was hurt but it could have been a lot worse for both horse and rider.

It turned out that the horse had grown up being schooled everyday a lot and had basically not had as much work so had retaliated like this, he was then sold to an eventing yard who schooled him everyday and the behaviour just stopped, don't know is this could be a similar thing to whats happening to yours! 

Would need to know more background on what the horse was doing before and what compared to what you were doing before this behaviour started. You say that you have a good relationship on the ground is this relationship the same in hand?Has your horse had a change of feed or is on any food that could have a bad effect on making more "fizzy" behaviour, if so maybe cut out hard feed as now it is spring the grass is a lot sweeter and horses are already fizzy at this time of year!!

This may sound harsh and you have mentioned that you love him, but if this carries on and then next time it is you that ends up in a and e it won't be good!!

Like the person I knew would it be wiser to sell him to someone who knows how to deal with this sort of thing better not saying you don't or maybe getteing some help of someone who you think would be better at dealing with this situation.

Hope this helps, feel free to pm me with the details and will try and answer anymore questions you have as a friend of mine also has a youngster who she has had problems with!

amber4ever

A show jumping horse has guts and commitment, an dressage horse has grace and elegance, but my horse has it all!

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ChloeWindle96

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