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scarletromeo

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scarletromeo says:

my rising 2 year old knows his strength!! advice / help / reassurance please?

The past week romeo has been pulling and dragging me especially when turning him out!! He is NOT nasty in the slightest, hes not even bolshy or naughty - but being a young sec.D he has the attitude that if he can get away with it he will!!

He hasnt been bolting but just locking his neck against me and charging off as if im not even there - its a battle of strengths so obviously, being almost 15hh, he is going to win everytime!! its usually when i am turning him out he walks down perfect but as soon as we reach the gate he just marches past it and there is nothing i can do, and the other day i was hosing his chest (he had a massive warm lump about the size of a gold ball???!!!) he stood perfect for 5 mins and then out of no where locked his neck, spun round and dragged me back to his stable!! suprisingly he is good to bring in though :S...

I have tried the rope halter, but i used this when he was alot younger to stop him rearing, and it makes NO difference he just charges harder and faster- and i dont want him getting de-sensitized to the pressure if that makes sence??

People have advised me to use a bridle but i STRONGLY dont want to do that! as he is SUCH a good boy when showing, or walking out in hand, i dont want him to associate his bridle with a fight, or give him a hard mouth!!

I have been borrowing a friends dually halter the past couple of days and it is A-MAZING!! he still tries it on but hasnt successfully locked his neck as he submits to it straight away!.... Anybody have any useful tips about using the dually? or experinced youngsters like this befor? do you think its an age thing.... i really hope so!!!

this is the culprit below.... lol

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  • Posted 2 years ago (14 March 2012 18:04)
scarletromeo

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scarletromeo says:

Re: my rising 2 year old knows his strength!! advice / help / reassurance please?

golf ball* - im guessing it was a bite??

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  • Posted 2 years ago (14 March 2012 18:05)
SilverLinedCloud

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SilverLinedCloud says:

Re: my rising 2 year old knows his strength!! advice / help / reassurance please?

I have little experience with youngsters or duallys but I think what I would do is this: when you reach the gate or just before he gets strong ask him to back up a couple of steps, walk a step forward and stop, back up a step or two again, really get him listening, once he is lead him through the gate and if he feels strong ask him to back up. I would also do lots of ground work revolving around leading, backing up and generally him going where you want him to go. I know that you show so therefore you need your horse to lead beside you, however this doesn't always send a clear message to your horse that you are the leader. Try asking him to follow slightly behind you in a relaxed manner as much as possible, not letting his head come past your side. Good luck anyhow, he's absolutely gorgeous, and I'm sure that with all the effort and care you're putting into him he will be absolutely fantastic! 

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  • Posted 2 years ago (14 March 2012 19:21)
kevinhiatt

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kevinhiatt says:

Re: my rising 2 year old knows his strength!! advice / help / reassurance please?

The terrible two's, anyone for rope burns as my Gypsy Cob was a Dales x Welsh Cob sec D and at first had to be handled in a chifney as no warning just went off and you knew who had handled him as they all had rope burns, also gave him more than one sharp jab with an elbow worked wonders but did become a wonderful horse and had him for 21 years now sadly missed.

Gypsy Gold does not chink & glitter.It gleams in the sun and neighs in the dark.Tonka & Lara my beautiful horses RIP, Nelson & Chloe the cats.

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  • Posted 2 years ago (14 March 2012 19:54)
KeeleyAndRuby

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KeeleyAndRuby says:

Re: my rising 2 year old knows his strength!! advice / help / reassurance please?

Ive always used monty robert pressure halters or bitless bridles with strong horses to lead. ANd maybe try carrying some food so he gets rewards for not pulling. ANd dont worry its an age thing my gypsy colt went through it

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  • Posted 2 years ago (14 March 2012 19:54)
SarahR123

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SarahR123 says:

Re: my rising 2 year old knows his strength!! advice / help / reassurance please?

I agree it's almost certainly his age - our 2 and a half year old keeps forgetting himself!  Nothing nasty - just a bit of rudeness that needs correcting.  What SLC says is the kind of thing for ground exercises and will definitely help.  You can get a dvd on how to use a Dually but they normally are supplied with the dually from Intelligent Horsemanship (have a look on ebay though!).  .  Dually needs to be very close fitting - no slipping and sliding and the noseband needs to be well above the soft part of his nose.  I'm guessing he'll need the black one as my big WB mare has a black one.  Never tie him up to the side rings. 

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  • Posted 2 years ago (14 March 2012 20:05)
Icebunny

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Icebunny says:

Re: my rising 2 year old knows his strength!! advice / help / reassurance please?

Hi

 

Snap - i have a two year old sec d  who is quite the character.  Mine is perfect going out but can be like a steam train coming in.  I use a regular headcollar in the morning and a dually in the evening.   He definately knows the difference between the two.  I brought him in with the regualr head collar a while ago as he was being so good with dually. He did the same as yours when we got to the yard and he tried to drag me into the feed room. He also very clever and and had realised where the food comes from, first and only horse to ever try top get in there!!!  I finally manged to stop him a nose away from being inside.    Mine also had barging issues when entering the stable.

 

The dually really is good, when they lead quietly it puts no pressure on at all but the second they get bargy or strong it comes into effect and then releases when they do what you want them to.  It has taught mine no end of manners, I rarely have to use the side rings on it now but just in case he gets strong i use it in the evening still.  i just need a cure for his playful nipping now.

 

I would recommend getting one

 

Erica x x

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  • Posted 2 years ago (14 March 2012 20:19)
*duskyteddy*

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*duskyteddy* says:

Re: my rising 2 year old knows his strength!! advice / help / reassurance please?

 I taught my mare to back up, so when she gets a bit too in my face, she simply gets asked to go back and wait. She seems to be a lot better. Be consistent. I let it slip over winter and now got to work on it again x

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  • Posted 2 years ago (14 March 2012 21:10)
*chip*

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*chip* says:

Re: my rising 2 year old knows his strength!! advice / help / reassurance please?

consistency is deffo, dont et hi step one toe out of line!!! my rising 4yr old gypsy was a sod for it, he'd just trot off n in a normal headcollar i just had to let him go (which is an awful thing to do coz once theyve got loose they'll try it time n time again!) i took to leading in a rop halter as he wouldn't listen to a dually, n if he went to trot off without my say so i just dug my heels in, got close to his bum n gave one almighty tug it wasnt the nicest thing to do but he was bein so damn rude, only  took a few goes of this for him to twig and he's now back in his normal headcollar n will lead like a lamb, but for loading or leading somewhere new he'll be back in his rope halter, n if there's roads involved he will be in a bridle, he has a wonderful soft mouth n if the bit is in he wont even think about running off so its safer for both of us.

 

ride a gypsy vanner... it'll make your butt look smaller

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  • Posted 2 years ago (15 March 2012 12:17)
kevinhiatt

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kevinhiatt says:

Re: my rising 2 year old knows his strength!! advice / help / reassurance please?

Hate to tell everyone but my Gypsy Cob Tonka could keep up with an Anglo Arab at trot with all other horses at canter, with him doing a good impression of a steam engine, with comments from the other riders of " I am glad that you are riding that not us" and without trying was clocked at 36 mph found such characters and give all they can to their person not using the word owner which is different, also bond to such a degree that mine stood guard when I went into a coma.

Gypsy Gold does not chink & glitter.It gleams in the sun and neighs in the dark.Tonka & Lara my beautiful horses RIP, Nelson & Chloe the cats.

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