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HattsDad

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HattsDad says:

New and utterly clueless!! Lots of help needed I'm afraid

 Hi, 

As per the title really, I am a clueless father looking for some much needed advice!

 

Up until 2 days ago my 13 yr old daughter had use of a pony, approx 13 hands. She only started riding 18 months ago and is obviously still very much a novice, although she entered several local shows last year and did very well. She jumps (not high) and goes out hacking on her own and with company. 

Anyway, I digress, due to circumstances beyond our control my daughter has been told she can no longer ride the horse she loves dearly and had bonded with. Needless to say she is utterly devastated. 

I can't bear the thought of her being in this situation again so my wife and I are considering purchasing a horse for her. Now i should stress that neither my wife or I know anything about horses whatsoever! Other than choosing the right horse (which seems a minefield) we are trying to get a handle on costs as we aren't rich by any stretch of the imagination.

So other than the cost of the horse/pony we are trying to get a handle on the following:

Winter feed 

Summer feed 

Approx annual vet bill 

Shoeing

And no doubt a million other things I have forgotten. 

We are looking for a mature experienced calm horse of approx 15h - sub £1000 for hacking, local shows, cross country and comfortable in a school for lessons. 

 

Many thanks in advance for any assistance. 

Eternal newbie

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cookiecrazy

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cookiecrazy says:

Re: New and utterly clueless!! Lots of help needed I'm afraid

 Hi!! Welcome.

thats a shame- where abouts are you??? 

Merlin<3

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HattsDad

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HattsDad says:

Re: New and utterly clueless!! Lots of help needed I'm afraid

 Hi, thanks for the welcome we live in North Wales

Eternal newbie

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spotsandstars

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Re: New and utterly clueless!! Lots of help needed I'm afraid

Hello and welcome :) To be honest ,i would take an expert (a riding instructor or someone you know and trust) if you go to view any horses as its rather difficult and sometimes people do try to pull the wool over your eyes and sell you a horse who isnt right (not everyone does this and most people are perfectly genuine) Good luck in finding the right horse

'Freinds are like stars ,you can't always see them but you know they're there' Love you Fin :)

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MoodyMare2904

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Re: New and utterly clueless!! Lots of help needed I'm afraid

I will try and answer some of your questions but a lot depends upon the kind of horse you want to buy.

Winter feed:  A sack of hard feed costs between 6 and 10 pounds a bag.  Chaff (which is addtional roughage) about £5.  For a 15hh horse ( I used to own a 15.3) a sack of feed lasted me about 2-3weeks so expect to pay £15-20 a month for hard feed.

Summer feed:  Again depends on the type of horse (my daughter current pony does not get addtional hard feed in the summer due to laminitis but he does get Happy Hoof (£10) which lasts quite a while)

Generally in the summer horses are at grass so you may not need to pay for extra feed but you should have some hay in case.

Vet Bill:  Vaccinations cost about £60-£100 and call out fee (£30 approx). Obviously if there is an emergency then it can cost absolutely anything so would definately recommend insurance that pays vet fees if horse has injury etc.

Shoeing:  My farrier charges £65 for a new set of shoes every 6-8 weeks so yearly bill about £780+

ALso there is rugs to buy if your horse is turned out.  Livery costs which depends if horse can stay out at grass all year or whether it needs to be stabled during winter.  I pay £110 a month for stable and grazing all year round.

Hay and straw during winter months.  Hay prices are very different but I pay £4.50 a bale and for a 15hh+ horse during the winter at least 2-3 bales a week if not more so about £20 a week for hay and straw is a guess.

I am afraid I may have frightened you off!  But I would recommend stabling the horse at a knowledgable stables so that there will be people on hand to help if needed.

I wish I had a father like you when I was 13!  Had to wait til I left home before I could get my first horse.

Good Luck!

Sarah

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jenappaloosapony

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Re: New and utterly clueless!! Lots of help needed I'm afraid

 I'll sum up the costs around me and I'm Hertfordshire

DIY livery £120 / month
Full livery £240 / month - I know from experience on here that this is cheap. My stables has a bargain of £120 a month full livery + all feed + hay + bedding but I am private at a friends yard.

Shoeing 2 front shoes around £30
Feed about £10 / month & hay which is currently £5 a bale - 1-3 bales a week depending on size of horse + winter bedding 
New tack (I doubt a good horse will come with tack for under £1000) can be up to £200 depending on saddle and if it's new or 2nd hand & also you'll need at least 2 rugs which is about £80 new.
Hopefully you wont need the vet in the year...
+ worming + having teeth checked yearly by dentist
So it can be expensive. I'm not made of money either and the cheapest is to loan, we get exclusive loan for £50 /month all use etc.

Also my friend got the "ideal" horse for £1000 last year 15.1 hh and he's cost them over at last £6500 as they had to buy a stable (as he wouldnt fit) and loads of new rugs + tack etc.

However it does depend on price in different parts of the country :)

 

JennyMyAppaloosa♥Loveyou

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MoodyMare2904

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Re: New and utterly clueless!! Lots of help needed I'm afraid

I forgot dentist as well!  Our dentist comes out and does all the horses on the yard and charges about £30 I think.  Some people feel that this needs only to be done once a year but others more often ie every 6 months.

Luckily you have come to the right place!  Lots of people on here happy to give all the advice and support needed when it comes to all things horsey!  Don't be afraid to ask anything, someone will always give you an honest answer.

 

Sarah

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soniadevereux

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Re: New and utterly clueless!! Lots of help needed I'm afraid

hi and welcome.  Rather than buy a horse/ pony for her see if you can loan one. This is looking after the horse and have total responsiblity but if it doesnt work out for either party then the horse/pony can be given back.   Your daughter may outgrow her next horse/pony so this could be a solution.

I have my mare on do it yourself livey.

I pay £20 a week for grazing and use of a stable

Shoes ( for the horse not me) £55 a set of 4 every 6 to 8 weeks

Feed depends if the horse is a good doer or not ( good doer like a lady looking at a cream cake and puts weight on ( sorry chaps!)

You would need insurance. That will cover your daughter and the horse for most vet bills and if riding on the ride 3rd party liablity.

If the horse is stabled over the winter you will need to look at bedding for the stable. I use rubber mats (£250 one off cost) and shavings ( around £8 a bale and i use 1 bale a week)

Hay can be costly but look around , i have mine delivered for £3.50 a small bale ( i live in south Wales)

The horse will need rugs ones that are waterproof for going out in and nice fleeces or quilted ones for keeping them warm  in their stable. I dont buy full price rugs. Ebay or sales at Derbyhouse or Robinsons are my usual places.

Will the horse come with tack( saddle and bridle) if not you will need to get the correct fitting saddle and bridle ( this can be a minefield)

WE allow roughtly £250  a month for summer and £350 during the winter for the upkeep of Roobee. It sounds expensive. But i dont drink, smoke, i  have 2 bottles of wine a WEEK so what i dont spend on any of that actually covers my lifetime passion/ hobby / reason to go to work.

I hope i havent put you off. I am sure others will cover things that my old brain has forgotten. x

 

Horses - if God made anything more beautiful, he kept it for himself. ~Author Unknown

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HattsDad

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HattsDad says:

Re: New and utterly clueless!! Lots of help needed I'm afraid

 Wow, some truly outstanding info there. Many thanks to all who took time out to reply, it is very much appreciated. 

Now off to do some sums!  

Eternal newbie

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soniadevereux

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Re: New and utterly clueless!! Lots of help needed I'm afraid

good luck and one bit of advice, try not to under budget as horses are wll known to throw a spanner in the works when you least expect it. However, you will have a dughter that will probably work her guts out and  be begging to get up at stupid o'clock to go to shows.. lol xx

Horses - if God made anything more beautiful, he kept it for himself. ~Author Unknown

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Jane Menzies

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Jane Menzies says:

Re: New and utterly clueless!! Lots of help needed I'm afraid

Hi, rather than rush into buying, I'd try and consider a loan first.  As your daughter is only 13 and is likely to grow a lot taller and heavier, may well find she may outgrow a pony sooner than what you think.  Are there any ponies, ie 14.2hh ones that might be available localish to you.  Because you would need to think about transporting the pony home.  Is your daughter currently having riding lessons, if so, perhaps her instructor may well be more than happy to accompany yourselves with regard to any suitable purchase or loan, it is not wise to go on your own, you will need someone experienced to testride the pony after the owner has 'showed' if off for you and put it through it paces.  Bear in mind that some ponies could have been worked prior to the viewing on that day and also could well have been sedated.  When you are looking at an advert question as to what they have left out, it could also help having a detailed conversation over the telephone prior to any visit, could save a wasted journey.  Ponies can be notoriously difficult to keep weight off, ie they do put weight on very easily so may well need restricted grazing in the summer months, if they are obese, can lead to lot of foot, hoof/health problems.  It would also be advisable firstly to keep your pony at a livery yard where there are knowledgeable people/instruction on hand and also to join the local pony club.  if you keep the pony on DIY it will be a lot cheaper but you will need to arrange for feed deliveries, vaccinations, shoeing, turning out/bringing in, changing rugs etc.  My costs and I've had both, DIY, full and part DIY are:

DIY, £20 per week for grazing and stable; hay £4 a bale; shavings bale (for bedding) £9; sack of feed £12; shoeing, only fronts £35; vaccinations and teeth rasping/check up £95 

Full livery  - where they do everything for you - £110 per week, you only turn up and ride

Part DIY - 5 days full livery and 2 days Sat/Sun DIY - £95 per week.  All hay, feed and shavings is supplied.

Kus posted etc.  It may well be that once your daughter has her own, both of you will then get bitten by the bug, start riding and then buy two more horses!  Hope this has helped and good luck with the search.

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