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alrees

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alrees says:

Youngsters...

 Is it just me or are people mad??? 
With people desperate to sell they are breaking and riding!! yearling's! it's crazy, I honestly think people don't know how much damage they are doing! I have two youngster a rising 4yr old and a 19month old filly, I know people have different views on what age horses hould be broken in, it also depends on the horse. I started to mouth my gelding to a very gentle bit when he was 2.5years as I wanted to do some shows, he was then left till he was over 3yrs until I started longreing and lunging and then has was sat on the end of this summer and did some light riding, he is now doing nothing all winter apart from some Parelli and lunging just to keep him fit, he is off to let him grow and mature. I will do the same with my filly as this works for me and my horses, I understand some people leave it till their horses are 4years and sometimes even older but is it the best to try and break a 5 year old? I recently went to a friends yard and she breeds dressage horses and competes in dressage in different levels and she doesn't do anything with her youngster till they are 5yr old! 
I think its bad when people just leave youngsters in a field,I know of some top breeders who breed foals then just put them in a field to grow and are only brought out to worm, castrate or for the farrier, I think this isn't right as when the horse is 3yrs or 4yrs and they want to start their education you are asking a lot of them. Some people also expect youngsters to just grow off grass and fresh air! I wish they did!! My main point is... I think some people treat youngsters unfairly and without care but think they are doing the right thing. Oppinions please? 

~Beauty is in the eye of the beholder~ ~Never judge a horse by its past,always look at what it can do for you in the future~

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Micki

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Micki says:

Re: Youngsters...

natalie.123 said:

 

Also have to say we backed stepmum's 3yr old this yr, as he was bored stiff watching everyone else go out.  He has been handled from birth (she bred him) and knew all the commends and would play on the ground, he kind of let us know he was ready, which sounds odd but is true.  He now goes for a hack 2-3 times a week and is loving having a job to do, and just to contridict my 1st post, he's a warmblood... lol


I agree with you on this one. Charlie was ready to start his ridden work at 3 and thoroughly enjoys his ridden work. I haven't rushed him though and all he did as a 3 year old was gently hacking and very basic schooling, ie. large circles and figures of 8. He then had the winter off and came back into work this summer, late July, and was worked slowly again and started jumping which he adores and wants to jump a lot biger than i will ever want to do.

Sky has matured loads since i have had her, about 4 weeks now. She no longer looks like a baby lie she did when i bought her. If she carries on maturing like she is doing then i shall start her off in the spring once she has turned 3.

. .A horse is a thing of such beauty. . .none will tire of looking at him as long as he displays himself in his splendor. ~Xenophon

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Lottiepony

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Lottiepony says:

Re: Youngsters...

i agree with the thoughts that it all comes down to the individual :) alhtough i think it helps if they have good basic manners at a young age as it is easy to build upon, think a lot of people let babies get away with stuff too often. I once read a quote about basset hounds saying don't let a 3 month old basset do what you wouldn't let a 3 year old basset do - i really think this relates to all animals lol think my OH nows regrets letting her on the sofa she now takes up loads of room!

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AMLS

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AMLS says:

Re: Youngsters...

I can't stand it when people rush their horses. My filly is two and half and she has only had a bit in her mouth a few time and a roller on ... haven't even started long reining her yet but I can tell she is going to be a slow grower, especially as a warmblood they aren't usually fully grown until about 6 !!! I'll probably get a saddle on her and get her used to the long reins over winter as my yard just had a beautiful new indoor school built !!! I may sit on her next summer but I know she'll let me know if she's ready or if I'm going too fast for her or whatever.

 

My gelding who is also a warmblood and is 6 has only just reached his fully height/size this year so I have done barely anything with him. He also just hasn't been mentally ready, he's been very babyish until this year. A lot of people have given me flack for not pushing him but I know he's not been ready, we've hardly done any jumping even though I know he can do it and has a huge jump in him, I deperately didn't want to ruin him and overface him when he's not up to as I've seen so many horses go sour because riders have done too much too soon. I'll probably start some gentle showjumping this winter and get him out and about competing properly (as opposed to just the odd school and his lessons) next spring/summer.

 

This is the way I always bring youngsters up ... slowly, putting in the ground work and doing it right from the start the last thing you want to have to do is go back and correct your mistakes.

 

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Tommytank

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Tommytank says:

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 I got Rhodri as a 1 yr old unhandled - he was bit of a train wreck.  He doesn't do anything much at all, I've had him since April.  He's happy to be groomed all over have his feet picked out, rugs on/off go for a little walk occasionally, gives kisses for a slice of apple or banana.   I don't really plan on doing anything more than he's all ready doing for the next 12 months then I might introduce some long lineing and spook busting.  I have no intension of actually getting on him until he's 4.  He's a very quiet gentle little chap I haven't had a moments trouble from him, no kicking or rearing I guess that may be because i haven't really put any pressure on him or it might just be because he's a nice person. 

I bought Tommy as a 4 year old, the people who I bought him from bought him as a 5 year old and had him for 18 months.  Dentist came after 18 months and said he was barely 4 so he'd been jumped, schooled, hunted etc etc quite a lot before he was even 4.  I don't know if thats anything to do with the attitude he used to have because he did too much to young (unitensionally)  but I sometimes think thats why he hates schooling, he was doing dressage to music when I viewed him, I sometimes think it fried his brain and thats why he doesn't want to do it any more.  

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TuscanBunnyGirl

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youngsters

 My boy was backed at 2.5yrs :( Wasn't happy about it at all so hope it hasn't done anyt long term damage as he's now been left to finish maturing. Poor sausage.
And I have a 5 year old that has already had some twit on her at the rip old age of 2 and she's also had a foal; the ignorance of some people astonishes me. 

I also have a yearling who has been lead around, over, under and through things and she LOVES coming out!! Any headcollar she can get her nose into, or if she can squeeze out of the gate with you she's there! So I think I'm doing all the right bits with her atm but wont be thinking about backing till 3 at least
 

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tango19

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tango19 says:

youngsters

great topic! i have a 18 month old cob he's just been gelded and is fairly easy going and i have a plan in mind for how i would like things done i had to bit him at 12 months as he started being walked out and i needed a little more control as he was getting very strong, and next april he turns 2 so my plan is more walking and basic ground work he already wears  a rug and is happy to be groomed and have his feet done  hopefully next summer i will put a saddle on him and walk him in it but i really dont want any weight on him untill the year after i plan so send him away for breaking when he turns 3,

But ive struggled with all the advice ive been given mainly by people who i dont really know they ride past and we chat and they ahve watched him grow and they have kindly offered to help if i need it but when i said i wasnt going to have him broken in untill he is 3 she said do him at 2 turn him away and then bring him back into work at 3 hell be fine! but im really not keen on that idea he's still going to be growing and i dont want him doing to much,it's so complicated !

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alrees

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alrees says:

Re: Youngsters...

great to hear all your oppinions and feedback  I was just interested to now what people thought as I love my babies and always want they best for them and I assume everyone else does to but there is a small minority which unfortunately seems to be getting bigger who just want them to be broken either for money or through ignorance  
My rising four year old came to me as a untouched yearling and I handled him and tried him with everything but he hadn't had a bit in his mouth till he was 2.5 years old x

~Beauty is in the eye of the beholder~ ~Never judge a horse by its past,always look at what it can do for you in the future~

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rhapsody

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rhapsody says:

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Our cob was bought by my friend and her dad at Appleby from travellers, he was four years old at the time and had already been used as a trotter/pacer.  He is now 9, from the very start he has been totally sane in traffic, has probably seen nearly everything in life, is gentle and obedient.  I'm not for one minute advocating breaking a horse when it's still very much a baby but whatever formula they've used for Sammy has probably been handed down through tradition and has produced a great horse who can be driven, ridden and enjoyed safely.  I have a 2 and a half year old filly, she was handled daily since we got her at weaning when she was 4 months old, was picking her feet up daily and hosing down her legs when coming in from the field and halter broken and leading out for walks in traffic and being exposed to as much as possible from an early age.  She was bitted with a soft bendy rubber bit before she was a year old and taught to lead in her bridle.  She actually watches our other two horses being ridden with great interest, she's really funny.  At the end of the summer we put a saddle on her to get used to it and she allowed herself to be girthed up with no fuss, probably because she'd been watching the other two and knew she wasn't about to be hurt.  My husband has gently sat on her a couple of times, mounting from both sides and then getting off again and she has not been in the least bit phased by it.  Next year after she turns 3 she will be backed for real and then left for another year before doing much more ridden work.  She did an inhand show as a yearling at a local agricultural show and was extremely well behaved and settled, and she did one recently which was a large scale event at an equestrian venue and also took it in her stride with no fuss whatsoever, she's just really interested in life and seems to thrive on new experiences rather than being nervous in any way, I think partly due to her own nature and partly due to how we've handled her and exposed her to things.  We have always taken a confident no-nonsense type approach to things rather than fussing and waffling about so that she doesn't get a chance to worry about anything.

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alrees

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alrees says:

Re: Youngsters...

 similar to what I do with mine rhapsody but I am adding some Parelli in with their training as it genuinely helps, 
My friend bought a 4yr old dun sec D about 2 years ago and he was broken as a 2 year old then left to grow and mature until 4 yrs, she bought to bring in to work and school etc and she said he was the most contended horse she has ever met, well behaved and well mannered, Suppose it works for some horses but maybe not for others.... Just wondered My 19 month old filly is 14'3hh possibly 15hh what height do you think she will make? she is still very gangly and long legged... 

~Beauty is in the eye of the beholder~ ~Never judge a horse by its past,always look at what it can do for you in the future~

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rhapsody

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rhapsody says:

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I'd think she should make around 16hh.  Mine is 2 and a half and standing just shy of 16hh, she's still bum high too.  Her dad is around 16.3 and her mum was 16hh, her granny is a clydesdale and the grandad was 18hh!

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