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3MoodyMaresMum

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Lameness - arthritis or laminitis?

OK here is one for you all, how would you diferentiate between the lameness of laminitis and arthritis?

My girl who came in 3 weeks ago footy has made no progress really for the last 2 weeks.  Although we are not taking her out of the stable to the mo, she is still very sore in the mornings, won't back up, holds her front leg resting on the toe, tucks back legs under to move and is in obvious discomfort. But, by midday she is beaing weight on both fronts and moving around her box nicely, can back up and seems generally really happy kicking her snack ball with the front feet, pawing the ground for food.

I can't help wondering if tghe problem is actually higher up and we all just assumed with her history that she had laminitis - what's your views?  Oh and yes she has seen the Vet, been x-rayed and having feet trimmed every 4 weeks as always - is on Danilon a sachet twice a day.

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greyandbay

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greyandbay says:

Re: Lameness - arthritis or laminitis?

I know you're what I would term an 'experienced' laminitic owner, so perhaps I'm teaching my grandmother to suck eggs !!

From my experience of laminitis and Cushings, they stick the front legs out to load their weight on their heels, as the toes are painful, which doesn't sound like your girl is doing.

Also if she's not moving much over night and so is stiff in the morning, that would perhaps indicate arthritis more than anything, as they tend to stiffen up easily if they don't keep moving.

Would it be possible to let her have 24/7 turnout, but limited to the yard, or on a small patch of ground with access to shelter so she can move around all the time?

And 2 danilon a day is quite a high dose for her to still be showing discomfort......

Hope this has helped, and that you can sort out what the problem is.

Sue

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3MoodyMaresMum

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Re: Lameness - arthritis or laminitis?

Hi Sue, hmmm you are right and I think 3 weeks ago I would have just said laminitis, but having brought her in off the grass quickly, got her x-rayed, trimmed etc and then to see her not improving I am questionning myself - you know how it is you end up paranoid!

She only has the classic laminitis stance in the morning after she has just stood up and is trying to bear weight on her legs, or back up out of the doorway!  After this time although she will rest the front right leg on her toe she is basically walking fine, backing up ok, then she will have her lunchtime nap and she stiffens again for about an hour.

So I can't decide really, if it is laminitis then she should still be on box rest, if not she needs to be out.  My gut feeling is the problem is the knees, but having said that the x-rays did show she was very unbalanced on her right, which I guess could have caused problems with tendons etc - I think I might have another x-ray but higher up the leg!  I have noticed for some months her joints are clicking, but put it down to 18 months box rest!

You know, I think I will give up horses after this lot and take up knitting!!!! xx

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natalie.123

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natalie.123 says:

Re: Lameness - arthritis or laminitis?

hi, not much help on Lami but i did have an arthritic chap.  He used to really stiffen up overnight as it got colder and damper, to the point he wouldhave to stretch his back legs out fully before he would walk out of the stable.  He was on a sachet of bute a day, which at 17h isnt a lot at all, and he had joint supplements. I found that wrapping his legs at night made a big difference.  Could be something to try to see if she's any more comfortable of a morn?

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Fi & Smartass

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Re: Lameness - arthritis or laminitis?

 Think from what you've described it sounds more like arthritis as it seems to improve after she's moved around a bit, def have a word with your vet about having knees looked at if that's where you feel the problem is. I guess you're in a bit of a difficult situation as if there's a slight chance it's lami then you don't want to risk doing anything that might aggravate that but if it is arthritis then the box rest won't be doing that much good. Fingers crossed yo eventually get to the bottom of it!

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3MoodyMaresMum

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Re: Lameness - arthritis or laminitis?

I often wonder why this little mare can't do anything normally!  She just loves to pop another challenge into the health pot.  I decided last night to only give her half a sachet of danilon and same this morning to see if she was worse, better or the same - I suppose in my mind if she was worse then yes too laminitis, if no different then more likely arthritis.

So far this morning I would say she is about the same, currently resisting bearing weight on the front right which is bent at the knee and resting on her toe.  I did also pop on a lightweight rug last night as with her you are never sure if she is sweating because of the Cushing's and she did feel cold so I decided being toastie was better.  I have found some legs wraps which she could wear tonight - she hates these and will spend most the night trying to get the off!

My Vet is away at the moment so I will have to wait to get her x rayed, I think for her its best to have consistancy and the same vet seeing her, I suppose the fact her feet were so unbalanced on trimming would not have helped. I keep questionning my judgement, but I really should follow my instincts as they are normally right, I was right with the Cushings and that took 18 months to get a positive result!

It would also answer why she was so difficult to load onto the lorry when we moved, she just could not walk up the ramp and kept wanting to turn to get on the ramp. And now I think about it, it was just after the first few chilly nights/days she went footy. So now I am thinking because of her history we just assume if she is lame or footy it must be laminitis!  Sorry I think I am just typing what I am thinking here!!!!  Thanks for your helps guys, I will see how she goes today on less pain relief, hopefully no worse!!!

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