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Islaandmurphy

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time to sell?Opinions please!

I've had murphy for 2 years, when we bought him he hadn't been well schooled as he the girl who owned him had a disability, so he was just a hacking horse. He was 100% safe (or so i thought) until i got him home... He had a bad habit of bucking - so I was told by a previous owner, I quickly found out just how bad he was!

So basically, my instructor and I have been working hard to get him out of the bucking habit- we've tried literally EVERYTHING! Side reins, natural horsemanship, etc etc. Everybody keeps telling me that once a horse gets away with bucking there's no way to stop them... is this true?

Murphy has bucked me off twice in the past couple of weeks- into a barbed wire fence whilst on a hack and then also took off in the field for no reason. So as you can guess, mum has had enough and said that we should probably sell him. I really wish I didn't have to sell him but my mum and I were speaking about maybe getting a horse that I can do pony club with (since we cant take murph out without giving him a calmer- otherwise he bucks)

whats your opinion on selling him? Can i stop him from bucking?

Thanks:)

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CharParsley620

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Re: time to sell?Opinions please!

 Is he showing signs of being in pain? 

It's lonely in the saddle since the horse died.

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Islaandmurphy

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Re: time to sell?Opinions please!

nope, he's fine. He's never been lame or had any injuries before.

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*duskyteddy*

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*duskyteddy* says:

Re: time to sell?Opinions please!

 I think you're wrong to dismiss pain. Have you had the vet out since this bucking has started? He could be changing shape and his tack could be uncomfy. He's only been doing a few weeks, so give him a chance. At the end of the day, he could have a tooth coming through, could be unhappy with you riding him, saddle may not fit, abcess- who knows. I'd advise you get the thorough checks. 

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Islaandmurphy

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Re: time to sell?Opinions please!

okay, I'll try and get the vet out and see what they say. We've had his saddle fitted already.

Last time the dentist was out he said that murphy's mouth was ok, but he's due to see my other pony again sometime soon so I'll get him to have a look then. 

My instructor seems to think it's because as a youngster he wasn't disciplined and was allowed to get away with bucking- I spoke to a girl who loaned him just after he had been broken-in and she said she had to give him up because of his bucking and because he was so unpredictable. Then the person who had him after that (the disabled girl) also had to sell him because he kept bucking her off (although I was told they were selling him because she was moving onto bigger horses!) Hmm I'm definitely going to have to see what the vets say!

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Fi & Smartass

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Re: time to sell?Opinions please!

 Ok this sounds like a fairly longstanding issue, definitely get pain ruled out as a first port of call, so yep get the vet out to have a look at him and also see if they they think a refferral to a physio may be warranted as its amazing how being tight / tense somewhere can have a knock-on effect on other areas. Also who fitted the saddle and how long ago was this? Was it a qualified saddle fitter and has he changed shape since then, have you had the fit of the saddle re-checked since you bought it, could it possibly need re-flocking? Definitely get the dentist to have another peek in there to check for problems and also consider your bit; is it the right size and shape for his mouth and is he happy with its action? Another thing that people often forget to check is the fit of the bridle.

 

Having ruled out pain and poor-fitting tack you can then start to look for other reasons for the bucking. Does there appear to be any consistant tirgger for it? Does he seem to buck more when scared, excited, frustrated, tired or is it sort of his standard answer if he gets asked to do something he doesn't want to?

 

 

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Cobsandshire

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Cobsandshire says:

Re: time to sell?Opinions please!

You poor thing, trust me I know from recent experience.  My horse bucked when he didn't want to do something.  Eventually, I'd lost my nerve and had to send him away to be re-started.  It sounds like you've done all that though.

If all your physical checks come back ok, would you be able to make a dummy to ride him?  I'm sure you've done this already, but if he bucks with that on just let him knacker himself out.  Once he accepts his new 'rider' without hassle, you could perhaps start riding him in a round pen/school but always make it a pleasant experience.  If you're not confident about being able to ride out any bucks get someone who can cling on like a limpet.  With my horse, the answer was not to stop him bucking but to take away the reward for doing it (stopping work).  I also had a go on a bucking machine which helped me enormously.  I've only had 2 experiences of him bucking since and both times he stopped very quickly when he realised I was just going to make him work harder for it.

I'm sure all of that is old news to you, but it's all I have to offer I'm afraid!!

Whatever you do, best of luck to you and Murphy.

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Fenris

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Fenris says:

Re: time to sell?Opinions please!

 Assuming you check he is not hurt, has ulcers etc then either yourself or a "sticky" friend if you don;t think you can do it, needs to get on him, put him in a position where he will buck and ride him through it. Give him a couple of slaps with the whip and drive him forward. The stickiness is required because once he realises that bucking = slap + extra hard work + rider not falling off then he might catch himself on.

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rhapsody

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Re: time to sell?Opinions please!

I had a similar problem a few years ago with a horse I had, and I tried all manner of things including sending him away for professional schooling to no avail.  He just thought it was fun, and always liked to do it in canter.  I bought a buckstop from www.stopthathorse.com and it was almost instant cure.  I lunged him in it and when he tried to assume the position he found he couldn't and that was the end of it - I only had to use it twice and it literally stopped him in his tracks.  As others have said though you need to eliminate any possibility of a physical cause first, maybe even get an equine physio out to him as well as getting his tack and teeth assessed, there could be something there that only a physio could find that even a vet might not pick up on.

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melxvengeance

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Re: time to sell?Opinions please!

 definately get everything checked. teeth, back, saddle, bridle, bit, get someone else to ride him other than yourself. maybe you're doing something that he just doesn't like.

 

i can sympathise with you, i've had my horse for nearly 4 years and he was a nightmare when i took him to college. kept bucking for no reason, he wasn't in pain, i had everything checked - as soon as i took him home where it was just me & him (and my other 4 ponies) he was quiet as a lamb. he still throws in the odd buck but he definately didn't like all the hustle & bustle of the busy college yard and is so much happier when it's just his chums & me. 

what do you feed him? what kind of yard is he on? 

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sarahbobo

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sarahbobo says:

Re: time to sell?Opinions please!

I hink too many people use the excuse of pain, I agree he could be in pain but it sounds like to me that he knows now that he can get you off and is being a monkey. I would get someone experienced to school him for you i mean yor trainer using loads of different techniques doesnt sound great, a real horse person will use consistence to let your horse know that this behaviour is not acceptable, good luck with him                       *duskyteddy* said:

 I think you're wrong to dismiss pain. Have you had the vet out since this bucking has started? He could be changing shape and his tack could be uncomfy. He's only been doing a few weeks, so give him a chance. At the end of the day, he could have a tooth coming through, could be unhappy with you riding him, saddle may not fit, abcess- who knows. I'd advise you get the thorough checks. 


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