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tatti

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tatti says:

re training race horse - hates pressure from bit, any advice pleaes

Hi guys, have just started to work our new horsey, who is a TB from Newmarket, although has never 'raced' he has been brought up on a race yard since a yearling, ridden by jockey's (possibly) and has therefore some traits, so - any advice would be great, I am not a novice rider/owner and knew that he would be a project.

Good points: - fantastic temprement, impeccable manners on the ground and in stable, easy to lead, not strong, has a 'nice eye'  - Seems pretty good doer and eats like a piggy, already gained weight since he arrived, probably because I have over fed hi!.  Very light to ride in the hand and quick off the leg. Doesnt appear strong, in a snaffle at present.

Bad points - as soon as the tack is put on, he starts to fidget, even when tied up, when you ask him to stand to check the girth etc before mounting, he will go around you as if I am lunging him, he wont stand still and gets very agitated, as if he is going to take off at any moment.

Is very stiff, not flexible, and has a real issue with any contact on his bit, i.e. throws his head up as if he has barb wire in his mouth, and both my daughter and myself have gentle hands and are certaininy not sawing or pull at his mouth but, refuses to work in an outline. Therefore, I am finding it hard to bring him down through the trasitios, I cant just ride around the schooling ring like a cowboy with a loose rein!

Has no topline at all, which could be some of his reluctance to work with the bit, he has an odd shape really, has big chest and muscley hind quarters, as was put on horsewalker for a couple of hours a day, but saggy in middle as if someone has let the air out of a balloon!  - 

So, if anyone has ever had these issues with a TB or other horse to be fair, I would appreciate your advice. We have only had him for a month and have only just started to ride under saddle, just lunging before, which is is fine at, albeit he doesnt understand voice command that well and just trots round and round for ever if left alone! 

 

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kevinhiatt

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kevinhiatt says:

Re: re training race horse - hates pressure from bit, any advice pleaes

I got Lara into condition with Soft & Soak a soya based feed as she was BC2 in a very bad condition, it worked well but many things were working against me unfortunately as she had a very hard life but I made her last 12 months lovely with the TLC she had never had she died with a twisted gut RIP. she was a lovely loving horse.

Gypsy Gold does not chink & glitter.It gleams in the sun and neighs in the dark.Tonka & Lara my beautiful horses RIP, Nelson & Chloe the cats.

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zobomabo

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zobomabo says:

Re: re training race horse - hates pressure from bit, any advice pleaes

Hi,

I haven't read all the replies so sorry for any repeats! Your horse sounds alot like Jack was when I first started working him.

First things first, get EVERYTHING checked - not just back, but all his body (I know most "back" people do this now, I use a McTimoney therapist but there are plenty of different types around), teeth & tack.

After you know these are all fine, do ALOT of ground work, with & without tack, without actually putting the pressure on him to do work - get him trusting both you & your daughter. With Jack, he will only stand still to be tacked up if I've let him sniff the saddle first - sounds silly I know, but if i don't he won't stand and will just pace constantly & get himself worked up!

Then, do lots of lunging, I can't stress enough how important it is for the horse to respect your voice commands - both of mine will go through their paces both by words & clicks & it really does make a difference! Use side reins/pessoa/harbridges, start them loose and gradually, over time, increase the pressure on the bit. Also, get him used to a mounting block - i used my grooming box with Jack first (without tack), whilst brushing him, I'd stand on the box & just lean over him to brush the other side, so when i got him to the mounting block, it was no big deal!

When you've done all this & he's happy with the bit/standing by a block, start riding him. If it makes you feel better, have someone lead you round (there's no shame in it!). Have a neck strap on & if he doesn't listen to your rein aids, use that (I find half way up the neck works a treat & i don't have to apply much pressure) as you don't want to get into a habit where you're putting alot of pressure on the reins if he doesn't like it to start with! Jack also preferred a jointed bit - full cheek french link & NS starter bit both worked better for him.

Hopefully, all the work you put in will start paying off & you'll have a really nice horse. However, with Jack, he just wasn't going to settle with a bit when being ridden so is now in a Dr Cook bitless bridle & is a dream compared to what he was! Maybe something to consider if your boy doesn't settle with time/work.

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tatti

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tatti says:

TB from Newmarket

Zoboomabo - thank you for your help and advice.

We tried to use a grooming box tonight, as he tends to put his head up when putting the bridle on, he wasnt impressed and was scared, pulling backwards so, lots of work with that I think.! He was better tonight when Grace mounted from the side block but, you have to let go as soon as she gets on his back, otherwise he gets rather scared and excited at the same time and I worry he shall go upwards! - We have switched his bit to a hanging cheek french link which I think he prefers. We have been lunging for the past 3 days with side reins and he didnt object at all, so its not the pressure on the mouth that I was worried about, as the side reins were quite taut, its more psycological I think when you are on his back and put pressure on the rein/bit. We have been concentrating under saddle doing circles and bending as he is soooo stiff and reluctant to bend at all, almost scared of doing it. I do have a Dr Cook bitless bridle funny enough, but of course, you cant use them for dressage or showing classes which she wanted to do with him, as her previous horse was very good at dressage. We took him out yesterday for a hack for the first time, and I walked next to my daughter as I was worried he would explode etc, and not sure what he has seen in the past, i.e. is he used to bikes, pheasants or cars? He was actually pretty good, power walked with head up high and when we turned at the end of the road to return to the yard, he didnt jig jog or pull at all, so, very pleased. I know we have a lot of work to do and I have the teeth man booked in, he should be coming to see me within the next fortnight, just to check out if his teeth are ok.  Do, these type of horses ever get used to going into an outline, being comfortable with pressure from the bit? - Its difficult to tell at this stage as he is unfit and has no topline or stomach muscles at all. I cant fault his personality, he has been a total poppet on the ground, not strong at all, very vocal though, neighs all he time at other horses! - He is still getting used to lots of turnout as well, as previuosly he went from the horse walker to the stable, from what I understand. His previous owner is lovely and I have kept her up to date, she was honest from the start and said he was green and needed more work, but I think I didnt realise how much work until we got him home, I was bowled over by his kind gentle nature more than anything. I have looked at the persoa on line but, it scares me how to even begin to start with it, there are so many straps LOL ! -

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rhapsody

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rhapsody says:

Re: re training race horse - hates pressure from bit, any advice pleaes

If it's any help, my first thoroughbred was an ex racer and was schooled to the level of "riding horse" and was very successful in the show ring (not with me, with someone who had him before me), he was almost bomb proof and so gentle you could trust him with a small child - so yes you can have a lovely well schooled horse who used to race!

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nicki22p

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nicki22p says:

Retraining racehorse

I also have an Ex racehorse which resisted the contact , wouldn't bend or stand to be mounted . I had his teeth , saddle and back checked . I changed his bit from a single jointed snaffle to a snaffle with a rounded lozenge which he muched preferred .I use a half sheepskin nummnah as saddle pannels were too firm for his sensitive skin even though saddle fits correctly .

Told by Equine Sports massage therapist to keep him rugged up unless particularly warm day as thoroughbreds are very thinned skinned and sensitive souls which get cold easily. Cold muscles get easily tense and tight . Also told to do carrot stretches with him everyday down between front legs and round either side of him so he stretches around you to help stretch his back muscles .

I have been doing Parelli ground work with him before i ride to help with relaxation in the school . It has also helped with the mounting and he now stands still and doesn't move off before i ask . I think it probably works two fold by warming him up before riding and asserting your leadership . It has also helped with lateral flexion and he can now bend his head round and put his nose on my toe staying relaxed whilst riding where as before he would set his neck against you and brace .

As i understand it racehorses are taught to run in straight lines so not use to bending or being flexible and that picking up the contact means lean against it and go faster ! The rehabilitation of racehorses have a website that you might want to have a look at .

I would advise against trying to stap him down or forcing him into an outline as this may make him freak out depending on his nature. I have long reined mine which helped to teach him to come down into the contact without the weight of the rider and has the advantage of using similar rein aids as to when riding that lungeing doesn't .

With your horse having no top line he will be very weak and find it hard so i would only do any outline work for short periods with lots of rest and stretching down , as tired muscles will get sore .

Most of all have lots of patience they are lovely affectionate horses who deserve a bit of TLC and relaxation now they are out of that high pressure enviroment .

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jinglejoys

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jinglejoys says:

Re: re training race horse - hates pressure from bit, any advice pleaes

Haven't read everyhing but having seen racehorses started at work I'd say forget everything and begin again as if he was a foal and had never been touched!

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janmal2008

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janmal2008 says:

Re: re training race horse - hates pressure from bit, any advice pleaes

firstly - yes, get everything checked and also a back person/chiro out to give him any 'tweaking'.

remember a racehorse isnt trained to bend, he is trained to do straight - thats all he knows so the muscles on either side will need to be completely started from scratch.

when you lunge him, only do 5mins each side at first encourage head long and low for stretching and build up the time in walk etc.  when riding, do nice big circles each side to get suppleness and work the side. again, use pessoa, side reins etc.

my ex-racer is 4 1/2, only raced on the flat, but because they have done work its easy to forget that they only have very basic riding skills and everything else is racing skills. you need to think of him as a fresh youngster being backed for the first time and really get the lunge and long reins on him for a while and then start riding the very basic schooling.

i hack my baby out to get him used to the big wide world, but so far we are still only doing flat schooling in walk and transitions walk-halt-walk, 20m circles, serpentines, some poles to get him to look and think where his feet are going, getting him used to the correct aids, pressure on poll and bit, tension on reins dont mean go faster, etc etc.  lateral work riden and especially in-hand is valuable too.

only last weekend we went to a XC fun ride, his first time out and at any type of event meeting other horses/people since the race yard (we had loads of lameness and tendon issues most  of the year so not much riding), just popped over a few small jumps and logs, some small canters etc, and this wknd went to a TREC to see the different types of obstacles. so you dont have to be strict with not riding him when going through the process, just think start from scratch but still do hacking and fun with him too. prepare for bumps and cuts, mine is very accident prone learning where to put his legs and feets plus hedges etc lol. we ride in a drop cheek french link when out at an event, when hacking or schooling he has a fulmer lozenge. id stay away from single joint snaffles as they usually have nice soft mouths and dont want to spoil that and they are usually raced in loose ring rubber mullen mouth type,

wont change him for the world, its defo not been as easy as having them from a youngster untouched and a fresh canvas but it is still very rewarding :)

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tatti

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tatti says:

Re: re training race horse - hates pressure from bit, any advice pleaes

Thanks guys for all your advice -

I stumbled upon a website yesterday and left a message and I actually did get a call back! You know what some of these help lines are like LOL -

A lovely lady called Rowena said any horses that come into them for re schooling are always put into a 'team up bit - neue schule' ? I think that is what she said, she has given me the number to ring and order one. She doesnt like the snaffles , wether french link or snaffle. Also, discouraged me to use side reins in lunging, instead should always use a lungie bungie? anyone heard or used this? - She also gave advice as to what to feed him, total opposite to what I have given him. Also said get his teeth and back checked out asap, said I am waiting for my teeth man, should be next week, he is so busy but, I wouldnt want anyone else out, the only problem is that I dont have a back person, but she said she would even try and find someone in the suffolk area. Agreed that it shall take time with regards to mounting from a block and him wanting to go immediately and said just let him go, as otherwise they can panic and even rear, its just the horse being so used to have a leg up on the go and you have to install a different way of doing it.

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