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SymphonySun

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SymphonySun says:

i need EVERYONES help, urgently.

 So basically, ive had my horse for a year now, was amazing when i got him, 2 weeks later turned into the devil and i have had problems with him since. He started bucking when i asked for canter, then it was bronking in a straight line in canter and after a jump. THEN the worst of all, he is incredibly nappy, i cant ride him in the field if the gate is open otherwise he will plant himself by the gate and will reverse, bronk, rear, buck, spin.. anything to get out of the field. He also wont let me leave the yard. If i try to take him out on a hack he will do the exact same to get out of the situation. If a mare goes past he HAS to follow her and will refuse to listen to me untill she has gone or he has managed to go with her. He is 12 and was gelded at 6  which is why he is like this. He also crib bites and windsucks. Hes got bad confirmation and his feet are a mess, the vet was up and wants to take him for x rays and nerve blocking (?) she said that his feet may be the source of the problem but he is only slightly lame and only been lame for about 2 days. I was going to be selling him because i have had enough with his behaviour and i am just not experienced or strong enough to handle a horse like him. But if his feet get fixed do you think he will act like a normal horse? i just dont see how his feet can be the cause of him being nappy and horrible? 

so what do you all think? should i sell him? should i send him away for schooling? or should i give him another chance once his feet are better?....

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DuffyDuck

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DuffyDuck says:

Re: i need EVERYONES help, urgently.

Have you tried the obvious elimintatoins of feet, teeth, back, saddle etc checked to make sure he isn't in any pain?

I have to say though, if its been happening for the past 11 and a half months, it may be pure naughtyness, and it may need to be addressed by an expert, or sold on to someone who can deal with this. Have you thought about advertising for a loanee? Someone with more experience than yourself maybe?

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3MoodyMaresMum

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Re: i need EVERYONES help, urgently.

OK, so what is he like to handle on the ground? Does he work well on the lunge and in-hand? Is he a gent to be groomed and handled in general including leading?

If he is brilliant in that respect then I would say there is either pain in relation to being ridden, be that teeth (bridle) back (saddle or you) or something else.

On the other hand if the problem have is if this is 'learnt' behaviour for avoidance then unless someone really experienced takes over your relationship with him will be difficult to get back in line.

He sounds just like my british warmblood mare, she is a dream from the ground, bit funny about vehicles but that it because she was hit by a car, however you get on her and her personality changes completely she becomes a demon.  In desperation 11 years ago I sent her away for re-schooling and I went with her in case I was some of the problem, first yard gave up after a few months! I found somewhere else and same again only I was told to breed or shoot her but forget trying to ride let alone compete her.  She had everything checked, twice when it came to tack by different people and saw numerous dentists, farriers, physios etc but physically she was fine, so whatever is going on with her is in her head.  I doubt she was 'learnt' behaviour as I had her as a 4 year old and she was like it as soon as she arrived and if I am honest, she ditched the rider when being demonstrated to me - but I had already fallen in love!

Sometines you do just get a horse that does not want to be ridden and it becomes safer for everyone to accept that and do something else with it - everyone said I should breed from my girl but I felt if she had these 'issues' she is wrong stock to breed from, obviously having a gelding you don't have that option. Even though he was cut late he would get over being a Stallion unless the job was not done properly - have you had him tested?

I think if you have a real bond with him then it's worth checking out everything and maybe get someone else to ride him whose really experienced, at least then you can see if you are some of the problem. I had too with my girl and tbh it was great to see her go into full bronco with other people, at least I knew it wasn't just me!  If you are really fed up with it all then find him an experienced home where he can be re-schooled or a 'companion' home.  I would hate you to end up like me, wanting to continue but ending up totally loosing your confidence - I have hardly ridden anything since my accident on my girl which is when I called it day on her working life!

Good luck with whatever you decide.

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Bluesnow05

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Bluesnow05 says:

Re: i need EVERYONES help, urgently.

What a nightmare for you.  As well as being quite scary, you dont want to put yourself at risk.  First of all before you go any further I would seek professional help.  Follow the vets advice, get him checked out and if everything appears to be fine go from there.  You could start by paying someone to come and ride/school him for you, with you watching so you can learn from them.  I know my riding instructor also schools other peoples horses for £20 an hour. From what you've described I don't mean to sound rude but it would be very unlikely that you could sell him as he stands.  If he windsucks, crib bites, bucks, rears and has awful feet I think you'd need to work on those things first! The farrier can help with his feet, and someone can certainly help with his behavior.  I once went through a stage with my TB mare when she would knap and gallop back to the yard with me, it started from knowehere and just got worse.  I lost confidence and eventually asked a really confident, competent friend to ride her.  Within a week they got her going and didnt stand for ANY of her nonsense.  Just proved that the problem at the time was stemming from me and my anticipation of her bolting.  She never bolted with them after she'd tried once and got put in her place.  It all worked out in the end and I got going again with her until I was happy that she was pretty safe again then I sold her on.  We never totally clicked and she was always a bit big for me.  The worst thing you can do In my opinion is sell on a horse that is unsafe. x

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SymphonySun

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SymphonySun says:

Re: i need EVERYONES help, urgently.

 he is amazing to lead, with me. everyone else hates leading him and taking him in/out the field. He is good to groom and handle, he will let anyone do anything to him. Never bitten, kicked etc. a real sweetheart. He has had his back checked and his teeth checked.. not the problem. He has also had his tack checked. He even does this when i ride him bareback. And i know its not because im too heavy as he is 15.3hh and a bit chunky, i am 16, 5ft 4 and weigh 7 stone. So thats not the problem, although it could be because im too light that he feels as if he can easily get me off. But he has NEVER been able to get me off so id think he would have given up by now. He only acts up and misbehaves with me. My friend rides him and LOVES him, she is in her 20s and weighs more than me and my horse NEVER acts up when she rides him, hes perfect. When my instructor rides him (my instructs is a 31 year old man but very skinny) he can act up, becomes a bit strong and may buck and spook and refuse jumps a lot. I really dont know what to do anymore :/ ive offered him to my friend but she didnt seem interested even though her horse is like crippled and cant be ridden again..  I am already starting to lose my confidence and havnt ridden him or anything else in about 2 weeks. In a way im glad hes lame so i have an excuse not to ride him :/ 

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brook

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brook says:

Re: i need EVERYONES help, urgently.

He sounds a very unhappy horse atm and when you mentioned the windsucking and cribbing it seems to me as though he's really stressed. If he was mine i would try everything possible to eliminate pain, as it does sound as if he's in some sort of pain or discomfort, especially if his feet are in a bad way. Take the vets advice about his feet and also ask a saddler to check your tack, it really is a process of elimination to get to the route of the problem. Also a good physio can be very helpful, he or she might pick something up that nobody else has noticed. He will also need his teeth looking at.

 

The napping may or may not be connected with pain or discomfort but his poorly feet certainly don't help ! If you or I had sore feet we probably would'nt want to leave the yard and work so he probably feels the same way. I don't think it's very fair on him for you to try and sell him atm he could just get passed around from home to home and become more and more stressed. See what the tests reveal about his feet and take it from there, this is just my personal opinion but he deserves a chance. I can understand how you feel and you will need alot of patience, also forget jumping and hacking out for now, get to know him again and bulid a bond with some ground work and plenty of grooming as he needs to trust you as his leader. Good luck, please let us all know what you decide and how he is doing XX

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wagonsroll

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wagonsroll says:

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i do agree with making sure its not the feet, though it does sound unlikely. I would say that you must tell anyone who you try to sell him to that he does this with you but not your friend, trouble is with horses like these unless they end up with a carer, who will let them lead a life of leisure they will pass from hand to hand until they end up in a real mess and if you love him you dont want that.

So how about a change of trainer? Someone female if that's what he likes with bags of experience who wont stand any nonsense. I had a Hanoverian horse who was a lot worse than this that i rescued, she had stress navicular from all the rearing she had done with previous owner and i tried everything, got to point that she would rear in hand and try and land on you so she could go back to field. She even galloped into an open stable to try and get her rider off, i tried different trainers everything and i was well experienced with difficult horses too, in the end i had her shot as like Karen i wasnt prepared to breed from dodgy stock and she succeeded in hitting me in hand, luckily i was wearing hat etc., dont let this horse do this to himself, its not just you he's deciding he knows whats best for him, but he doesnt know about the bullet!

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SymphonySun

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SymphonySun says:

Re: i need EVERYONES help, urgently.

 he has had his back checked, his teeth and his tack. its none of them. the thing is he doesnt do it EVERY single time i ride him, more often than not but i think if he was in a lot of pain he would do it every time. My instructor and a proffesional instructor both said it didnt look as if he was in pain as his ears were not back and he wasnt letting out a squeal or anything. I am getting a session with Ann Dee, an animal psychic i guess? but only because shes coming up to my yard anyway. Also about the crib biting and what not, hes not bad at it, usually a lick of some sort will stop him from doing it, its only because he was kept in a stable for about 4 years without going into the field because "he had back shoes" doesnt make sense to me, so he gets bored when in the stable. But hes absolutely fine in the field and loves company :) I am away to move away from livery to my house where he will be living with my 2 year old, i would need a companion anyway so if it came to worst he could be a companion but i just dont want to be left without anything to ride as if i didnt sell him i would be allowed another horse to ride. So i dont know what to do...

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SymphonySun

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SymphonySun says:

Re: i need EVERYONES help, urgently.

 oh and he is also fine in hand, can be a bit pushy but hes fine. In lunge hes fine also although i cant have a lunge stick around or he just gallops around in circles. We have already established hes terrified of sticks so no sticks come near him anymore! Im just a bit annoyed as i bought him from a well known dealer in my area who are meant to be really good and i know really good horses from there but they still proceeded to sell me a horse that they KNEW his past and KNEW his behaviour but failed to tell me any of it and told me is bombproof and so easy and "all the kids at the stables love riding him" Only recently did i discover about his past and his on going behaviour when his old owner managed to track me down on facebook and tell me the real reason she was selling him and that he was the exact same for her, he would buck and rear and do anything to get HER off but if anyone else rode him, he would be amazing. And she was a 37 year old woman that was capable of a 15.3hh horse like him, not a 16 year old midget like me haha

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Tabbyx

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Tabbyx says:

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To stop crip bitting you can rub soap over his door or there are a load of sprays and treatments to put on it instead. To stop windsucking mabe get hime a play toy you can get inflatable balls you can hang up.  One of my ponies gets stressed so we give he a snackaball. A snackaball is a item that is great for food oriantatied horses. You put the food in through a little hole and they roll it aroung with their nose so that it comes back out. If he only plays up with you when you ride him maybe try to act positive and don't expect him to play up befre he dose because that could be giving him a negative messages. It might be a good Idea that as many people ride him as possible. My sisters youngster has started refusing to jump and has been very naughty handling and ridding wise because she has gotten bored of my sister but she is and angel when my mum rides her.

Have fun wherever you are!

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SymphonySun

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SymphonySun says:

Re: i need EVERYONES help, urgently.

 thanks tabby i have tried rubbing stuff on it and i havnt seen him touch it since but i dont know about what he does when im not there! 

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