Re: i need EVERYONES help, urgently.

OK, so what is he like to handle on the ground? Does he work well on the lunge and in-hand? Is he a gent to be groomed and handled in general including leading?

If he is brilliant in that respect then I would say there is either pain in relation to being ridden, be that teeth (bridle) back (saddle or you) or something else.

On the other hand if the problem have is if this is 'learnt' behaviour for avoidance then unless someone really experienced takes over your relationship with him will be difficult to get back in line.

He sounds just like my british warmblood mare, she is a dream from the ground, bit funny about vehicles but that it because she was hit by a car, however you get on her and her personality changes completely she becomes a demon.  In desperation 11 years ago I sent her away for re-schooling and I went with her in case I was some of the problem, first yard gave up after a few months! I found somewhere else and same again only I was told to breed or shoot her but forget trying to ride let alone compete her.  She had everything checked, twice when it came to tack by different people and saw numerous dentists, farriers, physios etc but physically she was fine, so whatever is going on with her is in her head.  I doubt she was 'learnt' behaviour as I had her as a 4 year old and she was like it as soon as she arrived and if I am honest, she ditched the rider when being demonstrated to me - but I had already fallen in love!

Sometines you do just get a horse that does not want to be ridden and it becomes safer for everyone to accept that and do something else with it - everyone said I should breed from my girl but I felt if she had these 'issues' she is wrong stock to breed from, obviously having a gelding you don't have that option. Even though he was cut late he would get over being a Stallion unless the job was not done properly - have you had him tested?

I think if you have a real bond with him then it's worth checking out everything and maybe get someone else to ride him whose really experienced, at least then you can see if you are some of the problem. I had too with my girl and tbh it was great to see her go into full bronco with other people, at least I knew it wasn't just me!  If you are really fed up with it all then find him an experienced home where he can be re-schooled or a 'companion' home.  I would hate you to end up like me, wanting to continue but ending up totally loosing your confidence - I have hardly ridden anything since my accident on my girl which is when I called it day on her working life!

Good luck with whatever you decide.

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 he is amazing to lead, with me. everyone else hates leading him and taking him in/out the field. He is good to groom and handle, he will let anyone do anything to him. Never bitten, kicked etc. a real sweetheart. He has had his back checked and his teeth checked.. not the problem. He has also had his tack checked. He even does this when i ride him bareback. And i know its not because im too heavy as he is 15.3hh and a bit chunky, i am 16, 5ft 4 and weigh 7 stone. So thats not the problem, although it could be because im too light that he feels as if he can easily get me off. But he has NEVER been able to get me off so id think he would have given up by now. He only acts up and misbehaves with me. My friend rides him and LOVES him, she is in her 20s and weighs more than me and my horse NEVER acts up when she rides him, hes perfect. When my instructor rides him (my instructs is a 31 year old man but very skinny) he can act up, becomes a bit strong and may buck and spook and refuse jumps a lot. I really dont know what to do anymore :/ ive offered him to my friend but she didnt seem interested even though her horse is like crippled and cant be ridden again..  I am already starting to lose my confidence and havnt ridden him or anything else in about 2 weeks. In a way im glad hes lame so i have an excuse not to ride him :/ 

Re: i need EVERYONES help, urgently.

i do agree with making sure its not the feet, though it does sound unlikely. I would say that you must tell anyone who you try to sell him to that he does this with you but not your friend, trouble is with horses like these unless they end up with a carer, who will let them lead a life of leisure they will pass from hand to hand until they end up in a real mess and if you love him you dont want that.

So how about a change of trainer? Someone female if that's what he likes with bags of experience who wont stand any nonsense. I had a Hanoverian horse who was a lot worse than this that i rescued, she had stress navicular from all the rearing she had done with previous owner and i tried everything, got to point that she would rear in hand and try and land on you so she could go back to field. She even galloped into an open stable to try and get her rider off, i tried different trainers everything and i was well experienced with difficult horses too, in the end i had her shot as like Karen i wasnt prepared to breed from dodgy stock and she succeeded in hitting me in hand, luckily i was wearing hat etc., dont let this horse do this to himself, its not just you he's deciding he knows whats best for him, but he doesnt know about the bullet!

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 oh and he is also fine in hand, can be a bit pushy but hes fine. In lunge hes fine also although i cant have a lunge stick around or he just gallops around in circles. We have already established hes terrified of sticks so no sticks come near him anymore! Im just a bit annoyed as i bought him from a well known dealer in my area who are meant to be really good and i know really good horses from there but they still proceeded to sell me a horse that they KNEW his past and KNEW his behaviour but failed to tell me any of it and told me is bombproof and so easy and "all the kids at the stables love riding him" Only recently did i discover about his past and his on going behaviour when his old owner managed to track me down on facebook and tell me the real reason she was selling him and that he was the exact same for her, he would buck and rear and do anything to get HER off but if anyone else rode him, he would be amazing. And she was a 37 year old woman that was capable of a 15.3hh horse like him, not a 16 year old midget like me haha

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 thanks tabby i have tried rubbing stuff on it and i havnt seen him touch it since but i dont know about what he does when im not there!