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marinaim

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marinaim says:

Possibly breeding my horse?! Help please!

I share my horse (although I ride most everyday), and her owner is thinking of breeding her?! She lives on a yard with her mother (cob x), her dad (tb x id) and her gramma (tb x). Problem is my horse (Saffy) is a bit of a nut, but i'm worried that

a) breeding her will cost too much

b) i won't get to ride her much - currently i jump her 4"4' and do lots of showj and xc, so i assume it would be affected.. i just don't think i'd be able to handle riding her lightly for long..

Any advice?

Her owner wants to breed her with a heavyweight 16hh/17hh horse to make a heavy calm horse to carry weight with.. (e.g. a clydesdale)

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beckaroo

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beckaroo says:

Re: Possibly breeding my horse?! Help please!

 Er.. what height is she? She doesn't look that big from your photos. Putting her to a big stallion if she's not very big herself has two immediate problems I can think of... (a) if you are using natural covering, there is more risk of injury to her back and/or pelvis from a big heavy stallion, and (b) the risk of foal oversize is exponentially increased - this has the potential for her to have major problems carrying the foal, and foaling itsself - you could lose her, the foal, or both.

 

If she can be a bit feisty while she is in work... what is she like to handle when she is not in work? Is she ever aggressive? Some mares can be 100 times worse once there is a foal at foot, and you have to bear in mind her temperament when thinking about breeding too - the stallion is only half the genetics, you're not guaranteed a gentle, reliable weight carrier just because the stallion is quiet. You may end up with a hot-headed giant!

 

What age is she? If she is older and has never had a foal before, the risk of complications is much higher. Once she is pregnant she can still be ridden, but certainly not jumping in her later pregnancy at all!! Putting her in foal will prevent you from doing what you are doing with her justnow for example... so you need to think hard if you want to continue sharing her if this is what is to happen to her.

 

Also... why does she want to breed her in the first place? Not being cheeky, just a genuine question.

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beckaroo

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beckaroo says:

Re: Possibly breeding my horse?! Help please!

 And - breeding is a very expensive way to get a new horse! Especially as they will not be ridden for a good few years, and there's a lot of potential for problems.

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Charlotte10

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Charlotte10 says:

Re: Possibly breeding my horse?! Help please!

As beckaroo has said she doesn't look very big and putting her with something like that could be very dangerous for her and the potential foal. I tihnk if you have a big problem with this then speak to her owner as you should have at least some say in what happeneds with her if you are paying and working her x

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marinaim

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marinaim says:

Re: Possibly breeding my horse?! Help please!

She is 9, 15.2hh, and yes her owner thought that too, she is going to look at more 16hh horses.

She has 7.5inch bone (i think), and her owner wants to breed her to get a heavy calm horse that can carry weight and can be good for her when she needs a calm horse when she's older.

Saffy likes rearing and bucking.. not particularly forward, but can be.. Some people at yard think it could calm her having a baby, whereas some think the opposite! Took me 2 years to calm her down!

 

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marinaim

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marinaim says:

Re: Possibly breeding my horse?! Help please!

Oh and she kicks and bucks when handled (field and stable). Used to run off when you tried to catch her.. Not exactly what most people would call an ideal mumma.

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beckaroo

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Re: Possibly breeding my horse?! Help please!

 The old adage of "having a foal to calm her down" is mince in my opinion.

 

I don't think it's true at all and I don't think that an unpredictable mare is a good candidate for putting in foal - not necessarily for the foal's sake, she may well be an excellent mother - but for those handling her, it is not necessarily a good idea. As I have already said, if she is unruly, putting her to a "calm" stallion does not guarantee a sensible temperament in the foal.

 

Looking at 16h stallions - if she is still going ahead with this idea - make sure that those stallions are not known for throwing big foals, or you could still end up in trouble. Is the mare from larger stock? Just because she is little doesnt mean she doesn't have big genes in there. Breeding is a minefield anyway, regardless of having to deal with a less-than-easy mare throughout the process.

 

Have you spoken to the owner about how this is going to alter your arrangement sharing her/riding her?

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beckaroo

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Re: Possibly breeding my horse?! Help please!

 (And if he owner wants a heavy, calm horse, she will get one cheaper when the time comes to do so than she will breeding and not being guaranteed a foal with plenty of bone, or one with a suitable temperament.)

 

Sorry, I'll get off my soapbox now. I just don't think it's a great idea personally!

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CopperFieldLady

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Re: Possibly breeding my horse?! Help please!

If the owner wants a safe, calm heavy horse, why not go and buy one? Horses are dirt cheap at the moment, it's a buyers dream out there. I personally wouldn't risk it. Obviously you're in a bit of a sticky situation as you don't own the mare, but have a chat to the owners, and as others have said, if the owner does go ahead, then you must decide whether to continue sharing her, or move on.

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marinaim

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marinaim says:

Re: Possibly breeding my horse?! Help please!

Her dad's a 16hh ID, but her mums a 14.2hh cob (no idea how that worked out :S )

But yeah, I think she just likes foals over grown horses.. she bred this horse (saffy) and her dad , and Saffy was a bit big for her mum aswell.., so there may well be the same problem..

I think if needs be i'll ride the other horses like I nromally do, just her dad's a nut aswell and the other too are old need rest etc..

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Vik1

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Re: Possibly breeding my horse?! Help please!

If she does want to breed Id suggest an ID about 16hh.  You can get them.  Id also point out that just cos the genetics should mean calm it doesnt necessarily go that way.  the foal is with the mum for at least 4 months (dependent on when they wean).  The foal learns alot of behaviour off of its mum.  If you have a stressy or temperamental mare, you are likey to end up with a stressy temperamental offspring!

As for the riding, the mare will tell you when she wants to slow down or when her bump starts to get bigger.

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