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haribach

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haribach says:

Flash noseband rant!!!

Why do nearly all bridles now include a flash noseband? Is it the fashion to clamp down every horse's mouths? Why? Yes I fully understand that a flash is sometimes needed, and yes it is possible to take away the flash band. But why should so many bridles on the market need to have a flash noseband? Years ago (showing my age here!) they were unheard of and people still managed to ride!!! Sorry rant over!!

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beckaroo

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beckaroo says:

Re: Flash noseband rant!!!

 I got an Albion bridle for Fallon, but had to select a plain cavesson on the website, the automatic option was the flash! Not cool! Fair enough if you need one,but so many horses don't!!

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aimz84

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aimz84 says:

Re: Flash noseband rant!!!

Hi, sorry if i sound really thick here, what is the purpose of a flash bridle. iv never used one on any of mine so i dont really no what it is.

Sounds really silly question doesn't it!!

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Endurance Arabians

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Re: Flash noseband rant!!!

I cant belive im so far behind the times here as ive not seen many flash nose bands around all my lot are in Endurance bridles which are either bitless or bridles which have a headcoller type of nose band where you can take the bit out but the noseband part is a headcoller you can get flash attachments if you really need it but ive never seen this.

 

I must keep an eye out at the happy hackers around my way (as there are over 100 horses that ride around my area) and see how many have flashes on, nice little servay i think ill keep you posted

Boyfriends come and go but my Arabs are for life

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Endurance Arabians

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Re: Flash noseband rant!!!

aimz84 said:

Hi, sorry if i sound really thick here, what is the purpose of a flash bridle. iv never used one on any of mine so i dont really no what it is.

Sounds really silly question doesn't it!!


Flash nose band is designed to stop the horse from opening there mouths and taking hold of the bit it works along the same lines as the drop nose band but there is not as much risk of blocking there airways and risking a broken nose thats if they are fitted properly.
 

Fitting a flash the caverson is fitted the same as a normal caverson and the flash goes under the bit to hold the mouth closed BUT you should still be able to place a finger between strap and horses mouth.

You also have a grakle this is designed to stop the horse from crossing his jaw hence the cross over straps

Boyfriends come and go but my Arabs are for life

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Charlotte10

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Charlotte10 says:

Re: Flash noseband rant!!!

Faith has a grackle, she was ridden in a normal cavasson for while but it reall didn't work for her. I wouldn't use it if i felt she didn't need it and i hate it when people will just use a grackle because they think "it looks nice!" but i was recently looking for a plain lunging bridle and i can't find one that is just plain back and has no silly bits and bobs on it that isn't over £40! Sorry if i sound cheap but if its only for lunging i don't see why i would need to spend loads on it.

You've just gotta have Faith ...

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Fenris

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Fenris says:

Re: Flash noseband rant!!!

 Fredhead - I am not sure about the idea horses are being bred for more trainable temperaments. Just thinking of SJ, a lot of the most popular sires throw offspring with tricky temperaments (Baloubet, Heartbreaker, Argentinus etc) but that are very talented.

 

Flashes are like everything else, use them if you need them. There might be an underlying reason why the horse is opening his mouth, or maybe it has now become a habit. As I said, my horse will put his tongue over the bit without a flash, as soon as he feels the flash he stops, even if it is loose. He always did it and the flash stops it, so why not use it?

 

Something I do hate about flashes, grackles, drops etc is when people fit them too low. It only takes 2 seconds to fit them properly.

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aimz84

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aimz84 says:

Re: Flash noseband rant!!!

Endurance Arabians said:
aimz84 said:

Hi, sorry if i sound really thick here, what is the purpose of a flash bridle. iv never used one on any of mine so i dont really no what it is.

Sounds really silly question doesn't it!!


Flash nose band is designed to stop the horse from opening there mouths and taking hold of the bit it works along the same lines as the drop nose band but there is not as much risk of blocking there airways and risking a broken nose thats if they are fitted properly.
 

Fitting a flash the caverson is fitted the same as a normal caverson and the flash goes under the bit to hold the mouth closed BUT you should still be able to place a finger between strap and horses mouth.

You also have a grakle this is designed to stop the horse from crossing his jaw hence the cross over straps



 

Hi, thanks, makes more sense now. mine never had one so cdidn't really think about it.

 

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*duskyteddy*

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*duskyteddy* says:

Re: Flash noseband rant!!!

 Fritha, you hit the nail on the head. It's the same with all sorts; they may 'stop' the vice but not necessarily solve them. If a horse is evading the bit; it tells me that either;

a) my hands are too heavy

b) I'm leaning on the bit

c) he's uncomfortable in his work

d) the tack doesn't fit

 

One of my friends horses evaded the bit and she was advised by  her YO and instructor to put a flash on. I told her to get a bit specialist and/or her vet out, the bit was actually too thin for her horses mouth, and pinching her tongue, she was trying to get her tongue over to stop the discomfort. She changed to a slightly chunkier one, but the horse still evaded- so she put her in a Myler and although they're expensive they did solve the problem. 

 

When I backed Shadow, I backed him in a snaffle, but the joint was a nutcracker type. He began sticking his tongue over, and at the early stage, I didn't want him to keep doing this or be in discomfort so he's not in a lozenge full cheek. I'm still saving for his Myler, but he no longer sticks his tongue over. 

 

I've also noticed this, regarding bridles- when I bought Shad's, I could only afford or find a flash noseband. Although when I got the bridle, the first thing I did was whip off the flash and found a brilliant use for it ;), it's a loop and now I hang my bridle through it. Definitely FINALLY found a use for my flash!! 

Regarding cranks- cranks can be nasty things- but I had one on Shayden ( he had an elevator bridle too!), but I made sure I never ever did it tight, and always had like three fingers to fit through it. I feel the padding on it was always an aversion and people think it's okay to keep pulling. 

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CopperFieldLady

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Flash RANT.

I do believe that a flash, when used correctly can be effective. Afterall, look at the numbers of dressage/eventing/showjumpers that use them.

A drop or flash noseband can help hold a snaffle in place so it cannot slip sideways through the horse’s mouth. <-- so="" it's="" sole="" purpose="" isn't="" simply="" to="" 'strap="" the="" mouth="">

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Micki

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Micki says:

Re: Flash noseband rant!!!

i have a crank noseband. The first thing i did was take off the flash as Danser hates any straps near her mouth and i do it up very loose. I wouldn't like to do it up tight and then add a flash on it!!!

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