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Brigadier

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Brigadier says:

Flash Nosebands- opinions please

Have managed a sneaky pass to BETA trade fair at NEC last week and saw a new bridle which was really really interesting. http://williammicklem.com/multibridle.html For years I have believed simple flash nosebands to be quite severe, largely because of problems that result from forcing a horses mouth shut! (Dont particulalrly like forcing anything unless its to save life or limb or its me or the horse! I wouldnt say I would never use one but I would have to have my legs chopped off first! The display re this bridle reinforced everything I suspected and more besides. We all know there are several pressure points on a horses face where we can get a reaction. The flash presses on the most sensitive of these even when passive and causes sinus and nerve damage. It would be interesting to get more opinions on this- im not sure I will buy a Micklem bridle as quite happy with simple cavesson and french link but you never know! Also its a bit expensive! (hope they are sold on Ebay soon) regards

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haffyfan1

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haffyfan1 says:

Re: Flash Nosebands- opinions please

It certainly looks interesting! I may be tempted if they appear on ebay as have tried just about every other type of bitless bridle going at some point so wouldn't mind giving it a whirl. I must say the bitted style of use looks a strange contraption though...not too unlike a milder/kinder version of a kineton? I

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Brigadier

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Brigadier says:

Re: Flash Nosebands- opinions please

Yes I agree it looks strange but I suppose all tack looks strange when its new?? I wonder if he added the bit to increase the marketability, ie more people will buy! Ive never had to use a bitless bridle but one day may have to so cant really comment on them. whats your opinion on Flashes? Is there anyone out there who has tried this???

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haffyfan1

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haffyfan1 says:

Re: Flash Nosebands- opinions please

I don't like 'gadgets' (or bits either) personally and don't believe it should be necessary to strap a horses mouth closed...he is opening it to resist so clearly there is a deeper laying problem that needs resolving! Usually some basic schooling for horse, rider or both. Too many people are quick to use quick fix-its rather than getting to the root of and solving a problem. It's not just nosebands either, they strap the heads down and bit them up to the eyeballs and it's all bad riding/management at fault. Unfortunately I feel nowadays a lot of top riders, esp jumpers/eventers use unnecessary harsh bits, nosebands and a whole host of other gadgets etc and they influence those who look up to them and then the bit/nosebands/gadget becomes a fashion accessory...sorry just my opinion. If you just go back to the 80's and see how many of the top riders in these disciplines used a simple snaffles...now you can count how many on one hand with half your fingers missing. Off the topic but there are far better role models for young riders out there such as Monty, Mark Rashid etc but unfortunalty they will never have the same influence and effect as a top competitor will and of course the real blame lies with the marketing men who pay these big names to use the gadgets in the first place. [}:)]

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Brigadier

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Brigadier says:

Re: Flash Nosebands- opinions please

Cant stand harsh bits either, Ive never had to resort to one but have taken plenty out and gone back to a snaffle and not needed to go back. Most products these days dont take off unless they've got a name attached to them, manufacturers go out and seek 'celebrities to promote stuff for the sales. Im not against all gadgets per se as some are from a safety aspect and help the horse to understand what is wanted and also help the rider but I think they need to be used under guidance and with caution. I teach so I see lots of people struggle to get a feel for what is right so its a case of weighing it up. Should I let them struggle on for weeks making the pony or horse miserable or should I use a gadget which will achieve part of the solution for a short time to teach the rider what is required and minimise the effect on the horse. Ive found a site that does some ok stuff from a safety/welfare aspect and it works almost immediately. Its weird really as Im really reluctant to use gadgets on my own horse but I would hope to be able to achieve whatever I need without them. Im waiting to be proved wrong however. cheers

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fleabitten

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fleabitten says:

Re: Flash Nosebands- opinions please

i dont know.... it doesnt look like a flash noseband obviously but i can really see the point in it - it doesnt look as if acts like a flash or do much else...

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ceej1000

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ceej1000 says:

Re: Flash Nosebands- opinions please

I have posted a thread previously about flashes and how you never see a pic int he mag of a horse wthout one and hoe hard it is to buy a straight noseband these days. I agree with haffy - I have been reading a lot about bitting recently and this may seem stupid, but I didn't realise how different each horses mouths can be... i thought that there were basically gentle to sever bits. I didnt really know that some horses, (often depending on breed) have bigger tongues than others and higher/lower pallets - so eg a big tongued horse would be uncomfortable in a straight bar (which I always thought just as a gentle bit, but can make a big tongued horse v uncomfortable) and for a low paletted horse, a snaffle can hit the roof of the mouth. What I am trying to get at in a round about way is that flashes are often put on horses who 'evade the bit' without true consideration as to why that horse is doing that... I have personally never used a flash because I have never had the problem of tongue over bit etc (my welsh opens his mounth and leans but I dont think a flash os the answer and I will try everythig else first) so I to be honest am not sure how I feel about them - I am prepared to believe they have their use but I do think they are used too much (not all the horses you see with them surely need them?) the horse on the front of the mag this week has one and it looks soooo tight. So what I am trying to say is, have you tried every other thing possible and eradicated all possible discomnfort? I have rambled on aout causes ans symtoms in may thread and i think it runs true here..

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Brigadier

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Brigadier says:

Re: Flash Nosebands- opinions please

Hey everybody- This bridle isnt a flash, its an alternative bridle which ensures there is no pressure on sensitive or delicate areas of the horses head. the flash issue is totally seperate to this so sorry for the confusion. Im glad Im not the only one who has a problem with the flash noseband though. the reason I mentioned the bridle is because it does not place any pressure on the most sensitive part of the horses nose, which the flash does as a mattter of course. regards

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MaesSeren

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MaesSeren says:

Re: Flash Nosebands- opinions please

Still going to place pressure on the horses poll though like any normal bridle. It looks odd and ugly, would take some serious persuasion to get me to try one!

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trojan_warrior

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Re: Flash Nosebands- opinions please

That's an interesting looking piece of kit & I would like try it but don't know if I'd buy one. I used to use a flash on him [V] because he kept opening his mouth and evading the bit. Changed his bit, he still threw his head. Rode him with no noseband & he was a different horse. I suppose this was because there was no pressure from the flash on his sensitive face areas & none from the noseband underneath his headpiece at his poll.

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maxiemum

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maxiemum says:

Re: Flash Nosebands- opinions please

I am not a great flash fan and it greatly angers me that almost all bridles are now sold with flashes. what happened to a nice cavesson? and a easy on the horse french link snaffle?

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